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From: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>
To: Zhenhua Huang <quic_zhenhuah@quicinc.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: will@kernel.org, ardb@kernel.org, ryan.roberts@arm.com,
	mark.rutland@arm.com, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	chenfeiyang@loongson.cn, chenhuacai@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Tingwei Zhang <quic_tingweiz@quicinc.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] arm64: mm: vmemmap populate to page level if not section aligned
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2025 09:21:50 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <88dc8823-1439-40ed-80a3-becb4a51aff7@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <22fd3452-748c-4d4b-bd51-08e6faeaa867@quicinc.com>

On 12/30/24 13:18, Zhenhua Huang wrote:
> Hi Anshuman,
> 
> On 2024/12/27 15:49, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>> On 12/24/24 19:39, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 05:32:06PM +0800, Zhenhua Huang wrote:
>>>> Thanks Catalin for review!
>>>> Merry Christmas.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas to you too!
>>>
>>>> On 2024/12/21 2:30, Catalin Marinas wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 09, 2024 at 05:42:26PM +0800, Zhenhua Huang wrote:
>>>>>> Fixes: c1cc1552616d ("arm64: MMU initialisation")
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't add a fix for the first commit adding arm64 support, we did
>>>>> not even have memory hotplug at the time (added later in 5.7 by commit
>>>>> bbd6ec605c0f ("arm64/mm: Enable memory hot remove")). IIUC, this hasn't
>>>>> been a problem until commit ba72b4c8cf60 ("mm/sparsemem: support
>>>>> sub-section hotplug"). That commit broke some arm64 assumptions.
>>>>
>>>> Shall we add ba72b4c8cf60 ("mm/sparsemem: support sub-section hotplug")
>>>> because it broke arm64 assumptions ?
>>>
>>> Yes, I think that would be better. And a cc stable to 5.4 (the above
>>> commit appeared in 5.3).
>>
>> Agreed. This is a problem which needs fixing but not sure if proposed patch
>> here fixes that problem.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>>>>>> index e2739b69e11b..fd59ee44960e 100644
>>>>>> --- a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>>>>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>>>>>> @@ -1177,7 +1177,9 @@ int __meminit vmemmap_populate(unsigned long start, unsigned long end, int node,
>>>>>>    {
>>>>>>        WARN_ON((start < VMEMMAP_START) || (end > VMEMMAP_END));
>>>>>> -    if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES))
>>>>>> +    if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES) ||
>>>>>> +    !IS_ALIGNED(page_to_pfn((struct page *)start), PAGES_PER_SECTION) ||
>>>>>> +    !IS_ALIGNED(page_to_pfn((struct page *)end), PAGES_PER_SECTION))
>>>>>>            return vmemmap_populate_basepages(start, end, node, altmap);
>>>>>>        else
>>>>>>            return vmemmap_populate_hugepages(start, end, node, altmap);
>>>>>
>>>>> An alternative would be to fix unmap_hotplug_pmd_range() etc. to avoid
>>>>> nuking the whole vmemmap pmd section if it's not empty. Not sure how
>>>>> easy that is, whether we have the necessary information (I haven't
>>>>> looked in detail).
>>>>>
>>>>> A potential issue - can we hotplug 128MB of RAM and only unplug 2MB? If
>>>>> that's possible, the problem isn't solved by this patch.
>>
>> Believe this is possible after sub-section hotplug and hotremove support.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, seems there is no guarantee that plug size must be equal to unplug
>>>> size...
>>>>
>>>> I have two ideas:
>>>> 1. Completely disable this PMD mapping optimization since there is no
>>>> guarantee we must align 128M memory for hotplug ..
>>>
>>> I'd be in favour of this, at least if CONFIG_MEMORY_HOTPLUG is enabled.
>>> I think the only advantage here is that we don't allocate a full 2MB
>>> block for vmemmap when only plugging in a sub-section.
>>
>> Agreed, that will be the right fix for the problem which can be back ported.
>> We will have to prevent PMD/PUD/CONT mappings for both linear and as well as
> 
> Thanks Anshuman, yeah.. we must handle linear mapping as well.
> 
>> vmemmap for all non-boot memory sections, that can be hot-unplugged.
>>
>> Something like the following ? [untested]
>>
>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>> index 216519663961..56b9c6891f46 100644
>> --- a/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>> +++ b/arch/arm64/mm/mmu.c
>> @@ -1171,9 +1171,15 @@ int __meminit vmemmap_check_pmd(pmd_t *pmdp, int node,
>>   int __meminit vmemmap_populate(unsigned long start, unsigned long end, int node,
>>                  struct vmem_altmap *altmap)
>>   {
>> +       unsigned long start_pfn;
>> +       struct mem_section *ms;
>> +
>>          WARN_ON((start < VMEMMAP_START) || (end > VMEMMAP_END));
>>   -       if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES))
>> +       start_pfn = page_to_pfn((struct page *)start);
>> +       ms = __pfn_to_section(start_pfn);
>> +
>> +       if (!IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES) || !early_section(ms))
> 
> LGTM. I will follow your and Catalin's suggestion to prepare further patches, Thanks!
> 
>>                  return vmemmap_populate_basepages(start, end, node, altmap);
>>          else
>>                  return vmemmap_populate_hugepages(start, end, node, altmap);
>> @@ -1334,10 +1340,15 @@ struct range arch_get_mappable_range(void)
>>   int arch_add_memory(int nid, u64 start, u64 size,
>>                      struct mhp_params *params)
>>   {
>> +       unsigned long start_pfn = page_to_pfn((struct page *)start);
>> +       struct mem_section *ms = __pfn_to_section(start_pfn);
>>          int ret, flags = NO_EXEC_MAPPINGS;
>>            VM_BUG_ON(!mhp_range_allowed(start, size, true));
>>   +       if (!early_section(ms))
>> +               flags |= NO_BLOCK_MAPPINGS | NO_CONT_MAPPINGS;
> 
> However, here comes another doubt, given that the subsection size is 2M, shouldn't we have ability to support PMD SECTION MAPPING if CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES? This might be the optimization we want to maintain?> 
> Should we remove NO_BLOCK_MAPPINGS and add more constraints to avoid pud_set_huge if CONFIG_ARM64_4K_PAGES ?

I guess this has been covered on the thread.

> 
>> +
>>          if (can_set_direct_map())
>>                  flags |= NO_BLOCK_MAPPINGS | NO_CONT_MAPPINGS;
>>  
>>>
>>>> 2. If we want to take this optimization.
>>>> I propose adding one argument to vmemmap_free to indicate if the entire
>>>> section is freed(based on subsection map). Vmemmap_free is a common function
>>>> and might affect other architectures... The process would be:
>>>> vmemmap_free
>>>>     unmap_hotplug_range //In unmap_hotplug_pmd_range() as you mentioned:if
>>>> whole section is freed, proceed as usual. Otherwise, *just clear out struct
>>>> page content but do not free*.
>>>>     free_empty_tables // will be called only if entire section is freed
>>>>
>>>> On the populate side,
>>>> else if (vmemmap_check_pmd(pmd, node, addr, next)) //implement this function
>>>>     continue;    //Buffer still exists, just abort..
>>>>
>>>> Could you please comment further whether #2 is feasible ?
>>>
>>> vmemmap_free() already gets start/end, so it could at least check the
>>> alignment and avoid freeing if it's not unplugging a full section. It
>>
>> unmap_hotplug_pmd_range()
>> {
>>     do {
>>         if (pmd_sect(pmd)) {
>>             pmd_clear(pmdp);
>>             flush_tlb_kernel_range(addr, addr + PAGE_SIZE);
>>                          if (free_mapped)
>>                                  free_hotplug_page_range(pmd_page(pmd),
>>                                                          PMD_SIZE, altmap);
>>         }
>>     } while ()
>> }
>>
>> Do you mean clearing the PMD entry but not freeing the mapped page for vmemmap ?
>> In that case should the hot-unplug fail or not ? If we free the pfns (successful
>> hot-unplug), then leaving behind entire PMD entry for covering the remaining sub
>> sections, is going to be problematic as it still maps the removed pfns as well !
> 
> Could you please help me to understand in which scenarios this might cause issue? I assume we won't touch these struct page further?

Regardless of whether the non-present pfns are accessed or not from the cpu, having
page table mappings covering them might probably create corresponding TLB entries ?
IIUC from an arch perspective, this seems undesirable and possibly some what risky.

> 
>>
>>> does leave a 2MB vmemmap block in place when freeing the last subsection
>>> but it's safer than freeing valid struct page entries. In addition, it
>>> could query the memory hotplug state with something like
>>> find_memory_block() and figure out whether the section is empty.
>>
>> I guess there are two potential solutions, if unmap_hotplug_pmd_range() were to
>> handle sub-section removal.
>>
>> 1) Skip pmd_clear() when entire section is not covered
>>
>> a. pmd_clear() only if all but the current subsection have been removed earlier
>>     via is_subsection_map_empty() or something similar.
>>
>> b. Skip pmd_clear() if the entire section covering that PMD is not being removed
>>     but that might be problematic, as it still maps potentially unavailable pfns,
>>     which are now hot-unplugged out.
>>
>> 2) Break PMD into base pages
>>
>> a. pmd_clear() only if all but the current subsection have been removed earlier
>>     via is_subsection_map_empty() or something similar.
>>
>> b. Break entire PMD into base page mappings and remove entries corresponding to
>>     the subsection being removed. Although the BBM sequence needs to be followed
>>     while making sure that no other part of the kernel is accessing subsections,
>>     that are mapped via the erstwhile PMD but currently not being removed.
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'll be off until the new year, maybe I get other ideas by then.
>>>
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-02  3:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-09  9:42 [PATCH v2 0/2] Fix subsection vmemmap_populate logic Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-09  9:42 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] arm64: mm: vmemmap populate to page level if not section aligned Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-20 18:30   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-12-24  9:32     ` Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-24 14:09       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-12-25  9:59         ` Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-27  7:49         ` Anshuman Khandual
2024-12-30  7:48           ` Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-31  5:52             ` Zhenhua Huang
2025-01-02  3:16               ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-01-02  9:07                 ` Zhenhua Huang
2025-01-02  3:51             ` Anshuman Khandual [this message]
2025-01-02  9:13               ` Zhenhua Huang
2025-01-02 18:58           ` Catalin Marinas
2025-01-03  2:01             ` Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-09  9:42 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] arm64: mm: implement vmemmap_check_pmd for arm64 Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-20 18:35   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-12-27  2:57     ` Anshuman Khandual
2024-12-30  7:48       ` Zhenhua Huang
2024-12-31  6:59         ` Anshuman Khandual
2024-12-31  7:18           ` Zhenhua Huang
2025-01-02 18:12       ` Catalin Marinas
2025-01-03  2:43         ` Zhenhua Huang
2025-01-03 17:58           ` Catalin Marinas
2024-12-17  1:47 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Fix subsection vmemmap_populate logic Zhenhua Huang

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