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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
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	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
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	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [POC][RFC][PATCH] sched: Extended Scheduler Time Slice
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 11:42:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <884e4603-4d29-41ae-8715-a070c43482c4@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231025103105.5ec64b89@gandalf.local.home>

On 2023-10-25 10:31, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:55:45 +0200
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

[...]

After digging lore for context, here are some thoughts about the actual
proposal: AFAIU the intent here is to boost the scheduling slice for a
userspace thread running with a mutex held so it can complete faster,
and therefore reduce contention.

I suspect this is not completely unrelated to priority inheritance
futexes, except that one goal stated by Steven is to increase the
owner slice without requiring to call a system call on the fast-path.

Compared to PI futexes, I think Steven's proposal misses the part
where a thread waiting on a futex boosts the lock owner's priority
so it can complete faster. By making the lock owner selfishly claim
that it needs a larger scheduling slice, it opens the door to
scheduler disruption, and it's hard to come up with upper-bounds
that work for all cases.

Hopefully I'm not oversimplifying if I state that we have mainly two
actors to consider:

[A] the lock owner thread

[B] threads that block trying to acquire the lock

The fast-path here is [A]. [B] can go through a system call, I don't
think it matters at all.

So perhaps we can extend the rseq per-thread area with a field that
implements a "held locks" list that allows [A] to let the kernel know
that it is currently holding a set of locks (those can be chained when
locks are nested). It would be updated on lock/unlock with just a few
stores in userspace.

Those lock addresses could then be used as keys for private locks,
or transformed into inode/offset keys for shared-memory locks. Threads
[B] blocking trying to acquire the lock can call a system call which
would boost the lock owner's slice and/or priority for a given lock key.

When the scheduler preempts [A], it would check whether the rseq
per-thread area has a "held locks" field set and use this information
to find the slice/priority boost which are currently active for each
lock, and use this information to boost the task slice/priority
accordingly.

A scheme like this should allow lock priority inheritance without
requiring system calls on the userspace lock/unlock fast path.

Thoughts ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-25  9:42 Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25  9:46 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 10:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 12:54   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 13:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-25 14:31       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 14:53         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 15:07           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:42         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2023-10-25 16:24           ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-25 17:17             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 18:49               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-25 19:19                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 21:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-10-26  8:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 15:49                   ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26 16:31                     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-10-26 17:26                       ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26  8:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-26 13:16           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-30 13:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-30 13:52               ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26  5:03   ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-25 15:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25 15:34 ` Rasmus Villemoes

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