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Mechanisms that turn such allocations unmigratable, such as long-term page pinning (FOLL_LONGTERM), migrate these allocations at least out of MIGRATE_CMA/ZONE_MOVABLE areas first. Ideally, we'd only perform this migration if really required (e.g., long-term pinning), and rather "fix" other cases to not turn allocations unmigratable. However, we have some rather obscure cases that can turn migratable allocations effectively unmigratable for a long/indeterminate time, possibly controlled by unprivileged user space. Possible effects include: * CMA allocations failing * Memory hotunplug not making progress * Memory compaction not working as expected Some cases I can fix myself [1], others are harder to tackle. As one example, in context of FUSE we recently discovered that folios that are under writeback cannot be migrated, and user space in control of when writeback will end. Something similar can happen ->readahead() where user space is in charge of supplying page content. Networking filesystems in general seem to be prone to this as well. As another example, failing to split large folios can prevent migration if memory is fragmented. XFS (IOMAP in general) refuses to split folios that are dirty [3]. Splitting of folios and page migration have a lot in common. This session is to collect cases that are known to be problematic, and to start discussing possible approaches to make some of these un-migratable allocations migratable, or alternative strategies to deal with this. [1] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20250129115411.2077152-1-david@redhat.com [2] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/CAJnrk1ZCgff6ZWmqKzBXFq5uAEbms46OexA1axWS5v-PCZFqJg@mail.gmail.com [3] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/4febc035-a4ff-4afe-a9a0-d127826852a9@redhat.com -- Cheers, David / dhildenb