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From: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: "Lameter, Christopher" <cl@os.amperecomputing.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: fix draining remote pageset
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 12:17:27 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zg202aw8.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <703e284d-186a-5699-f06c-761e51115ae0@suse.cz> (Vlastimil Babka's message of "Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:52:29 +0200")

Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> writes:

> On 8/25/23 19:06, Lameter, Christopher wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2023, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, this doesn't really show any actual correctness problem so I do not
>>> think this is sufficient to change the code. You would need to show that
>>> the existing behavior is actively harmful.
>> 
>> Having some pages from a remote NUMA node stuck in a pcp somewhere is 
>> making that memory unusable. It is usually rate that these remote pages 
>> are needed again and so they may remain there for a long time if the 
>> situation is right.
>> 
>> And he is right that the intended behavior of freeing the remote pages 
>> has been disabled by the patch.
>> 
>> So I think there is sufficient rationale to apply these fixes.
>
> I wonder if this the optimum way to handle the NOHZ case? IIUC there we use
> quiet_vmstat() to call refresh_cpu_vm_stats(). I'd expect if there were
> pending remote pages to flush, it would be best to do it immediately, and
> not keep a worker being requeued and only do that after the pcp->expires
> goes zero.
>
> However quiet_vmstat() even calls the refresh with do_pagesets == false. Why
> do we even refresh the stats at that moment if the delayed update is pending
> anyway?

According to commit f01f17d3705b ("mm, vmstat: make quiet_vmstat
lighter") and the comments in quiet_vmstat().  The pending worker will
not be canceled to avoid long latency of idle entry.

> And could we maybe make sure that in that case the flush is done on
> the first delayed update in that case and not expiring like this?

This sounds reasonable.  How to identify whether the current CPU is in
NOHZ state? Via tick_get_tick_sched()->tick_stopped?

--
Best Regards,
Huang, Ying


      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06  4:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-11  9:08 Huang Ying
2023-08-11  9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-14  1:59   ` Huang, Ying
2023-08-16  6:49     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-16  7:08       ` Huang, Ying
2023-08-16 20:23         ` Lameter, Christopher
2023-08-21  7:55         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-21  8:30           ` Huang, Ying
2023-08-21  9:27             ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-21 22:31               ` Huang, Ying
2023-08-22  8:09                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 17:06                   ` Lameter, Christopher
2023-08-29  6:08                     ` Huang, Ying
2023-08-29 18:05                       ` Lameter, Christopher
2023-09-05 16:52                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-09-06  4:17                       ` Huang, Ying [this message]

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