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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>
Cc: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/6] mm/migrate_pages: split unmap_and_move() to _unmap() and _move()
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 10:59:08 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmfgjnpj.fsf@nvdebian.thelocal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHbLzkqRyav0fZ5gzaKbkTfGBxkQXTpu0NJz-A9j7UaHhVBxEQ@mail.gmail.com>


Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 1:35 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/26/22 18:51, Huang, Ying wrote:
>> >>> But there might be other cases which may incur deadlock, for example,
>> >>> filesystem writeback IIUC. Some filesystems may lock a bunch of pages
>> >>> then write them back in a batch. The same pages may be on the
>> >>> migration list and they are also dirty and seen by writeback. I'm not
>> >>> sure whether I miss something that could prevent such a deadlock from
>> >>> happening.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not overly familiar with that area but I would assume any filesystem
>> >> code doing this would already have to deal with deadlock potential.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for pointing this out.  I think the deadlock is a
>> > real issue.  Anyway, we shouldn't forbid other places in kernel to lock
>> > 2 pages at the same time.
>> >
>>
>> I also agree that we cannot make any rules such as "do not lock > 1 page
>> at the same time, elsewhere in the kernel", because it is already
>> happening, for example in page-writeback.c, which locks PAGEVEC_SIZE
>> (15) pages per batch [1].

That's not really the case though. The inner loop of write_cache_page()
only ever locks one page at a time, either directly via the
unlock_page() on L2338 (those goto's are amazing) or indirectly via
(*writepage)() on L2359.

So there's no deadlock potential there because unlocking any previously
locked page(s) doesn't depend on obtaining the lock for another page.
Unless I've missed something?

>> The only deadlock prevention convention that I see is the convention of
>> locking the pages in order of ascending address. That only helps if
>> everything does it that way, and migrate code definitely does not.
>> However...I thought that up until now, at least, the migrate code relied
>> on trylock (which can fail, and so migration can fail, too), to avoid
>> deadlock. Is that changing somehow, I didn't see it?
>
> The trylock is used by async mode which does try to avoid blocking.
> But sync mode does use lock. The current implementation of migration
> does migrate one page at a time, so it is not a problem.
>
>>
>>
>> [1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/mm/page-writeback.c#L2296
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> --
>> John Hubbard
>> NVIDIA
>>
>> > The simplest solution is to batch page migration only if mode ==
>> > MIGRATE_ASYNC.  Then we may consider to fall back to non-batch mode if
>> > mode != MIGRATE_ASYNC and trylock page fails.
>> >
>>
>>


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28  1:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-21  6:06 [RFC 0/6] migrate_pages(): batch TLB flushing Huang Ying
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 1/6] mm/migrate_pages: separate huge page and normal pages migration Huang Ying
2022-09-21 15:55   ` Zi Yan
2022-09-22  1:14     ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-22  6:03   ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-22  6:22     ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 2/6] mm/migrate_pages: split unmap_and_move() to _unmap() and _move() Huang Ying
2022-09-21 16:08   ` Zi Yan
2022-09-22  1:15     ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-22  6:36   ` Baolin Wang
2022-09-26  9:28   ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-26 18:06     ` Yang Shi
2022-09-27  0:02       ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-27  1:51         ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-27 20:34           ` John Hubbard
2022-09-27 20:57             ` Yang Shi
2022-09-28  0:59               ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2022-09-28  1:41                 ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-28  1:44                   ` John Hubbard
2022-09-28  1:49                     ` Yang Shi
2022-09-28  1:56                       ` John Hubbard
2022-09-28  2:14                         ` Yang Shi
2022-09-28  2:57                           ` John Hubbard
2022-09-28  3:25                             ` Yang Shi
2022-09-28  3:39                               ` Yang Shi
2022-09-27 20:56           ` Yang Shi
2022-09-27 20:54         ` Yang Shi
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 3/6] mm/migrate_pages: restrict number of pages to migrate in batch Huang Ying
2022-09-21 16:10   ` Zi Yan
2022-09-21 16:15     ` Zi Yan
2022-09-22  1:15     ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 4/6] mm/migrate_pages: batch _unmap and _move Huang Ying
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 5/6] mm/migrate_pages: share more code between " Huang Ying
2022-09-21  6:06 ` [RFC 6/6] mm/migrate_pages: batch flushing TLB Huang Ying
2022-09-21 15:47 ` [RFC 0/6] migrate_pages(): batch TLB flushing Zi Yan
2022-09-22  1:45   ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-22  3:47   ` haoxin
2022-09-22  4:36     ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-22 12:50 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-09-23  7:52   ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-27 10:46     ` Bharata B Rao
2022-09-28  1:46       ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-26  9:11 ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-27 11:21 ` haoxin
2022-09-28  2:01   ` Huang, Ying
2022-09-28  3:33     ` haoxin
2022-09-28  4:53       ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-01 14:49   ` Hesham Almatary
2022-11-02  3:14     ` Huang, Ying
2022-11-02 14:13       ` Hesham Almatary

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