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From: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org,  akpm@linux-foundation.org,  axboe@kernel.dk,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 09:07:13 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pln1z2da.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4wOGPbGQgqDidnYUCCpAT8sw+S92NEU+trAQL_rnC10ZA@mail.gmail.com> (Barry Song's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2024 19:51:12 +1300")

Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes:

> On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 6:23 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Barry,
>>
>> Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
>> >
>> > When large folios are compressed at a larger granularity, we observe
>> > a notable reduction in CPU usage and a significant improvement in
>> > compression ratios.
>> >
>> > mTHP's ability to be swapped out without splitting and swapped back in
>> > as a whole allows compression and decompression at larger granularities.
>> >
>> > This patchset enhances zsmalloc and zram by adding support for dividing
>> > large folios into multi-page blocks, typically configured with a
>> > 2-order granularity. Without this patchset, a large folio is always
>> > divided into `nr_pages` 4KiB blocks.
>> >
>> > The granularity can be set using the `ZSMALLOC_MULTI_PAGES_ORDER`
>> > setting, where the default of 2 allows all anonymous THP to benefit.
>> >
>> > Examples include:
>> > * A 16KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as a single 16KiB
>> >   block.
>> > * A 64KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as four 16KiB
>> >   blocks.
>> >
>> > For example, swapping out and swapping in 100MiB of typical anonymous
>> > data 100 times (with 16KB mTHP enabled) using zstd yields the following
>> > results:
>> >
>> >                         w/o patches        w/ patches
>> > swap-out time(ms)       68711              49908
>> > swap-in time(ms)        30687              20685
>> > compression ratio       20.49%             16.9%
>>
>> The data looks good.  Thanks!
>>
>> Have you considered the situation that the large folio fails to be
>> allocated during swap-in?  It's possible because the memory may be very
>> fragmented.
>
> That's correct, good question. On phones, we use a large folio pool to maintain
> a relatively high allocation success rate. When mTHP allocation fails, we have
> a workaround to allocate nr_pages of small folios and map them together to
> avoid partial reads.  This ensures that the benefits of larger block compression
> and decompression are consistently maintained.  That was the code running
> on production phones.
>
> We also previously experimented with maintaining multiple buffers for
> decompressed
> large blocks in zRAM, allowing upcoming do_swap_page() calls to use them when
> falling back to small folios. In this setup, the buffers achieved a
> high hit rate, though
> I don’t recall the exact number.
>
> I'm concerned that this fault-around-like fallback to nr_pages small
> folios may not
> gain traction upstream. Do you have any suggestions for improvement?

It appears that we still haven't a solution to guarantee 100% mTHP
allocation success rate.  If so, we need a fallback solution for that.

Another possible solution is,

1) If failed to allocate mTHP with nr_pages, allocate nr_pages normal (4k)
   folios instead

2) Revise the decompression interface to accept a set of folios (instead
   of one folio) as target.  Then, we can decompress to the normal
   folios allocated in 1).

3) in do_swap_page(), we can either map all folios or just the fault
   folios.  We can put non-fault folios into swap cache if necessary.

Does this work?

>>
>> > -v2:
>> >  While it is not mature yet, I know some people are waiting for
>> >  an update :-)
>> >  * Fixed some stability issues.
>> >  * rebase againest the latest mm-unstable.
>> >  * Set default order to 2 which benefits all anon mTHP.
>> >  * multipages ZsPageMovable is not supported yet.
>> >
>> > Tangquan Zheng (2):
>> >   mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages
>> >   zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages
>> >
>> >  drivers/block/zram/Kconfig    |   9 +
>> >  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.c    |  17 +-
>> >  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.h    |  12 +-
>> >  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.c | 450 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>> >  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.h |  45 ++++
>> >  include/linux/zsmalloc.h      |  10 +-
>> >  mm/Kconfig                    |  18 ++
>> >  mm/zsmalloc.c                 | 232 +++++++++++++-----
>> >  8 files changed, 699 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-)
>>

--
Best Regards,
Huang, Ying


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-11-12  1:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-07 10:10 Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages Barry Song
2024-11-08  5:19 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages Huang, Ying
2024-11-08  6:51   ` Barry Song
2024-11-11 16:43     ` Usama Arif
2024-11-11 20:31       ` Barry Song
2024-11-18  9:56         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-18 20:27           ` Barry Song
2024-11-19  2:45             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-19  2:51               ` Barry Song
2024-11-12  1:07     ` Huang, Ying [this message]
2024-11-12  1:25       ` Barry Song
2024-11-12  1:25         ` Huang, Ying
2024-11-11 19:30 ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-11 21:37   ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 10:27     ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 20:00       ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-18 20:28       ` Usama Arif
2024-11-18 20:51         ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 21:48           ` Barry Song

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