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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>
Cc: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rust: page: add volatile memory copy methods
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2026 20:10:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jywxr42q.fsf@t14s.mail-host-address-is-not-set> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aX4xNxsF5Qs0CTPW@tardis.local>

"Boqun Feng" <boqun@kernel.org> writes:

> On Sat, Jan 31, 2026 at 02:19:05PM +0100, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> [..]
>> >
>> > However, byte-wise atomic memcpy will be more defined without paying any
>> > extra penalty.
>>
>> Could you explain the additional penalty of `core::ptr::read_volatile`
>> vs `kernel::sync::atomic::Atomic::load` with  relaxed ordering?
>>
>
> I don't understand your question, so allow me to explain what I meant:
> for the sake of discussion, let's assume we have both
>
> 	fn volatile_copy_memory(src: *mut u8, dst: *mut u8, count: usize)
>
> and
>
> 	fn volatile_byte_wise_atomic_copy_memory(<same signature>, ordering: Ordering)
>
> implemented. What I meant was to the best of my knowledge, when ordering
> = Relaxed, these two would generate the exact same code because all the
> architectures that I'm aware of have byte wise atomicity in the
> load/store instructions. And compared to volatile_copy_memory(),
> volatile_byte_wise_atomic_copy_memory() can bear the race with another
> volatile_byte_wise_atomic_copy_memory() or any other atomic access
> (meaning that's not a UB). So I'd prefer using that if we have it.

Ok, thanks for clarifying. I assumed you were referring to the other
functions I mentioned, because they exist in `kernel` or `core`.
`volatile_copy_memory` is unstable in `core`, and as far as I know
`volatile_byte_wise_atomic_copy_memory` does not exist.

When you wrote `read_volatile`, I assumed you meant
`core::ptr::read_volatile`, and the atomics we have are
`kernel::sync::atomic::*`.

So now I am a bit confused as to what method you think is usable here.
Is it something we need to implement?

Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg





  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-31 19:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-30 12:33 Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-30 13:10 ` Gary Guo
2026-01-30 13:48   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-30 14:14     ` Gary Guo
2026-01-30 14:42       ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-30 15:04         ` Gary Guo
2026-01-30 15:23           ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-30 15:48             ` Gary Guo
2026-01-30 16:20               ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-30 21:41                 ` Boqun Feng
2026-01-31  7:22                   ` Boqun Feng
2026-01-31 13:34                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-31 16:09                       ` Gary Guo
2026-01-31 20:30                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-31 20:48                           ` Gary Guo
2026-01-31 21:31                           ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-03  1:07                             ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-04 13:16                               ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-04 13:48                                 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-04 15:58                                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-04 16:12                                 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-12 14:21                                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-31 16:26                       ` Boqun Feng
2026-01-31 20:14                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-31 13:19                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-01-31 16:43                     ` Boqun Feng
2026-01-31 19:10                       ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2026-01-31 19:30                         ` Boqun Feng
2026-01-31 20:20                           ` Andreas Hindborg

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