From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from atlas.CARNet.hr (zcalusic@atlas.CARNet.hr [161.53.123.163]) by kvack.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07294 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 15:34:09 -0400 Subject: Re: More info: 2.1.108 page cache performance on low memory References: <199807131653.RAA06838@dax.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <199807141730.SAA07239@dax.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <87d8b370ge.fsf@atlas.CARNet.hr> <87hg0c6fz3.fsf@atlas.CARNet.hr> <199807221040.LAA00832@dax.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <87iukovq42.fsf@atlas.CARNet.hr> <199807231222.NAA04748@dax.dcs.ed.ac.uk> <87zpe0u0dg.fsf@atlas.CARNet.hr> <199807231718.SAA13683@dax.dcs.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: Zlatko.Calusic@CARNet.hr From: Zlatko Calusic Date: 23 Jul 1998 21:33:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Stephen C. Tweedie"'s message of "Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:18:49 +0100" Message-ID: <87af60bbvo.fsf@atlas.CARNet.hr> Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org To: "Stephen C. Tweedie" Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" , werner@suse.de, linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: "Stephen C. Tweedie" writes: > Hi, > > On 23 Jul 1998 16:07:23 +0200, Zlatko Calusic > said: > > > Strangely enough, I think I never explained why do *I* think > > integrating buffer cache functionality into page cache would (in my > > thought) be a good thing. Since both caches are very different, I'm > > not sure memory management can be fair enough in some cases. > > > Take a simple example: two applications, I/O bound, where one is > > accessing raw partition (e.g. fsck) and other uses filesystem (web, > > ftp...). Question is, how do I know that MM is fair. Maybe page cache > > grows too large on behalf of buffer cache, so fsck runs much slower > > than it could. Or if buffer cache grows faster (which is not the case, > > IMO) then web would be fast, but fsck (or some database accessing raw > > partition) could take a penalty. > > There's a single loop in shrink_mmap() which treats both buffer-cache > pages and page-cache pages identically. It just propogates the buffer > referenced bits into the page's PG_referenced bit before doing any > ageing on the page. It should be fair enough. There are other issues > concerning things like locked and dirty buffers which complicate the > issue, but they are not sufficient reason to throw away the buffer > cache! > Hm, I know how shrink_mmap work, but I never looked at it that way. My eyes are wide open. Seems like all my reasons are not valid, so I will forget about my ideas for a while. :) In the mean time, I applied the same benchmark, I was already doing, to kernel with Werner's lowmem patch applied, and results are interesting. Performance is very similar to that with my change, but there are some differences. With Werner's patch, kernel behaviour is yet slightly less aggressive: procs memory swap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 0 0 0 0 6492 4548 23100 0 0 179 16 219 157 23 9 68 0 0 0 0 6492 4548 23100 0 0 0 2 108 9 0 0 100 1 0 0 84 1384 1964 31168 0 8 6051 3 229 222 1 24 74 1 0 0 128 1200 1964 31404 0 4 6630 3 238 237 1 25 75 1 0 0 476 1024 1964 31928 0 35 6802 9 240 241 1 26 73 1 0 0 1764 1316 1964 32932 0 129 6522 33 240 233 1 23 76 1 0 0 2584 1172 1964 33896 0 82 6392 21 237 227 1 23 76 1 0 0 3384 1284 1964 34584 0 80 6330 21 234 224 1 24 75 1 0 0 4100 1232 1964 35352 0 72 6365 19 234 228 0 23 76 1 0 0 4164 1432 1964 35236 0 6 6176 2 229 223 1 24 75 1 0 0 4220 1136 1964 35580 0 6 7331 2 250 258 2 27 71 1 0 0 4892 1284 1964 36096 0 67 7417 18 255 261 2 28 70 1 0 0 4940 1532 1964 35896 0 5 7460 2 252 258 1 28 71 1 0 0 4980 1540 1964 35932 0 4 7307 2 251 256 2 27 72 0 0 0 4996 1536 1964 35984 0 2 1496 2 140 66 0 5 95 0 0 0 4996 1536 1964 35984 0 0 0 1 102 7 0 0 100 So whichever solution find a way to the official kernel, will make me happy. :) Thank you for your thoughts and opinions! Wish you a nice weekend (at that wedding, is it yours?) :) -- Posted by Zlatko Calusic E-mail: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Crime doesn't pay... does that mean my job is a crime? -- This is a majordomo managed list. To unsubscribe, send a message with the body 'unsubscribe linux-mm me@address' to: majordomo@kvack.org