From: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
SeongJae Park <sj@kernel.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
Chengming Zhou <zhouchengming@bytedance.com>,
"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/10] mm/swap: always use swap cache for synchronization
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 16:32:31 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5mkm5wg.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <58e4f0c2-99d1-42b9-ab70-907cf35ac1a7@arm.com> (Ryan Roberts's message of "Wed, 27 Mar 2024 08:27:34 +0000")
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> writes:
> [...]
>
>>>> Test 1, sequential swapin/out of 30G zero page on ZRAM:
>>>>
>>>> Before (us) After (us)
>>>> Swapout: 33619409 33886008
>>>> Swapin: 32393771 32465441 (- 0.2%)
>>>> Swapout (THP): 7817909 6899938 (+11.8%)
>>>> Swapin (THP) : 32452387 33193479 (- 2.2%)
>>>
>>> If my understanding were correct, we don't have swapin (THP) support,
>>> yet. Right?
>>
>> Yes, this series doesn't change how swapin/swapout works with THP in
>> general, but now THP swapout will leave shadows with large order, so
>> it needs to be splitted upon swapin, that will slow down later swapin
>> by a little bit but I think that's worth it.
>>
>> If we can do THP swapin in the future, this split on swapin can be
>> saved to make the performance even better.
>
> I'm confused by this (clearly my understanding of how this works is incorrect).
> Perhaps you can help me understand:
>
> When you talk about "shadows" I assume you are referring to the swap cache? It
> was my understanding that swapping out a THP would always leave the large folio
> in the swap cache, so this is nothing new?
>
> And on swap-in, if the target page is in the swap cache, even if part of a large
> folio, why does it need to be split? I assumed the single page would just be
> mapped? (and if all the other pages subsequently fault, then you end up with a
> fully mapped large folio back in the process)?
>
> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what "shadows" are?
Perhaps, shadow is used to support workingset protection/detection on
the anonymous LRU list as in the following patchset (merged).
https://lore.kernel.org/all/1595490560-15117-5-git-send-email-iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com/T/#m962395eb5968c74b0c4c8e41d4b0dcdd3f28b2e6
--
Best Regards,
Huang, Ying
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-27 8:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-26 18:50 Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 01/10] mm/filemap: split filemap storing logic into a standalone helper Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 02/10] mm/swap: move no readahead swapin code to a stand-alone helper Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 03/10] mm/swap: convert swapin_readahead to return a folio Kairui Song
2024-03-26 20:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 04/10] mm/swap: remove cache bypass swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-27 6:30 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27 6:55 ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27 7:29 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 05/10] mm/swap: clean shadow only in unmap path Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 06/10] mm/swap: switch to use multi index entries Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 07/10] mm/swap: rename __read_swap_cache_async to swap_cache_alloc_or_get Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 08/10] mm/swap: use swap cache as a synchronization layer Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 09/10] mm/swap: delay the swap cache lookup for swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-26 18:50 ` [RFC PATCH 10/10] mm/swap: optimize synchronous swapin Kairui Song
2024-03-27 6:22 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27 6:37 ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27 6:47 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27 7:14 ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27 8:16 ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-27 8:08 ` Barry Song
2024-03-27 8:44 ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27 2:52 ` [RFC PATCH 00/10] mm/swap: always use swap cache for synchronization Huang, Ying
2024-03-27 3:01 ` Kairui Song
2024-03-27 8:27 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-27 8:32 ` Huang, Ying [this message]
2024-03-27 9:39 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-27 11:04 ` Kairui Song
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