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From: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
To: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	 <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 <kernel_team@skhynix.com>, <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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	 <hughd@google.com>, <willy@infradead.org>,  <david@redhat.com>,
	 <peterz@infradead.org>, <luto@kernel.org>,  <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 <mingo@redhat.com>, <bp@alien8.de>,
	 <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,  <rjgolo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 00/12] LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) reducing tlb numbers over 90%
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 09:11:45 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5k814tq.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240530005026.GA47476@system.software.com> (Byungchul Park's message of "Thu, 30 May 2024 09:50:26 +0900")

Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com> writes:

> On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 09:41:22AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
>> On 5/28/24 22:00, Byungchul Park wrote:
>> > All the code updating ptes already performs TLB flush needed in a safe
>> > way if it's inevitable e.g. munmap.  LUF which controls when to flush in
>> > a higer level than arch code, just leaves stale ro tlb entries that are
>> > currently supposed to be in use.  Could you give a scenario that you are
>> > concering?
>> 
>> Let's go back this scenario:
>> 
>>  	fd = open("/some/file", O_RDONLY);
>>  	ptr1 = mmap(-1, size, PROT_READ, ..., fd, ...);
>>  	foo1 = *ptr1;
>> 
>> There's a read-only PTE at 'ptr1'.  Right?  The page being pointed to is
>> eligible for LUF via the try_to_unmap() paths.  In other words, the page
>> might be reclaimed at any time.  If it is reclaimed, the PTE will be
>> cleared.
>> 
>> Then, the user might do:
>> 
>> 	munmap(ptr1, PAGE_SIZE);
>> 
>> Which will _eventually_ wind up in the zap_pte_range() loop.  But that
>> loop will only see pte_none().  It doesn't do _anything_ to the 'struct
>> mmu_gather'.
>> 
>> The munmap() then lands in tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly() where it looks at the
>> 'struct mmu_gather':
>> 
>>         if (!(tlb->freed_tables || tlb->cleared_ptes ||
>> 	      tlb->cleared_pmds || tlb->cleared_puds ||
>> 	      tlb->cleared_p4ds))
>>                 return;
>> 
>> But since there were no cleared PTEs (or anything else) during the
>> unmap, this just returns and doesn't flush the TLB.
>> 
>> We now have an address space with a stale TLB entry at 'ptr1' and not
>> even a VMA there.  There's nothing to stop a new VMA from going in,
>> installing a *new* PTE, but getting data from the stale TLB entry that
>> still hasn't been flushed.
>
> Thank you for the explanation.  I got you.  I think I could handle the
> case through a new flag in vma or something indicating LUF has deferred
> necessary TLB flush for it during unmapping so that mmu_gather mechanism
> can be aware of it.  Of course, the performance change should be checked
> again.  Thoughts?

I suggest you to start with the simple case.  That is, only support page
reclaiming and migration.  A TLB flushing can be enforced during unmap
with something similar as flush_tlb_batched_pending().

--
Best Regards,
Huang, Ying


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-30  1:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-10  6:51 Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 01/12] x86/tlb: add APIs manipulating tlb batch's arch data Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 02/12] arm64: tlbflush: " Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 03/12] riscv, tlb: " Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 04/12] x86/tlb, riscv/tlb, mm/rmap: separate arch_tlbbatch_clear() out of arch_tlbbatch_flush() Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:51 ` [PATCH v10 05/12] mm: buddy: make room for a new variable, ugen, in struct page Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 06/12] mm: add folio_put_ugen() to deliver unmap generation number to pcp or buddy Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 07/12] mm: add a parameter, unmap generation number, to free_unref_folios() Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 08/12] mm/rmap: recognize read-only tlb entries during batched tlb flush Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 09/12] mm: implement LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) defering tlb flush when folios get unmapped Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 10/12] mm: separate move/undo parts from migrate_pages_batch() Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 11/12] mm, migrate: apply luf mechanism to unmapping during migration Byungchul Park
2024-05-10  6:52 ` [PATCH v10 12/12] mm, vmscan: apply luf mechanism to unmapping during folio reclaim Byungchul Park
2024-05-11  6:54 ` [PATCH v10 00/12] LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) reducing tlb numbers over 90% Huang, Ying
2024-05-13  1:41   ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-11  7:15 ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-13  1:44   ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-22  2:16     ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-22  7:38       ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-22 10:27         ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-22 14:15           ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-24 17:16 ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-27  1:57   ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-27  2:43     ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-27  3:46       ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-27  4:19         ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-27  4:25           ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-27 22:58       ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-29  2:16         ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-30  1:02           ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-27  3:10     ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-27  3:56       ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-28 15:14       ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-29  5:00         ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-29 16:41           ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-30  0:50             ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30  0:59               ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30  1:11               ` Huang, Ying [this message]
2024-05-30  1:33                 ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30  7:18                 ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30  8:24                   ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-30  8:41                     ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30 13:50                       ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-31  2:06                         ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-30  9:33                     ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  1:45                       ` Huang, Ying
2024-05-31  2:20                         ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-28  8:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-05-29  4:39   ` Byungchul Park

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