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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>
Cc: "Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 1/8] mm: rust: add abstraction for struct mm_struct
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 11:36:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a5bse52v.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAH5fLginc=uNPVp1-T-oBrgtE1oi_cBMd65sPkDgqSDjH_CNfA@mail.gmail.com> (Alice Ryhl's message of "Mon, 13 Jan 2025 10:53:33 +0100")

"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com> writes:

> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 3:50 PM Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org> wrote:
>>
>> "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com> writes:
>>
>> > These abstractions allow you to reference a `struct mm_struct` using
>> > both mmgrab and mmget refcounts. This is done using two Rust types:
>> >
>> > * Mm - represents an mm_struct where you don't know anything about the
>> >   value of mm_users.
>> > * MmWithUser - represents an mm_struct where you know at compile time
>> >   that mm_users is non-zero.
>> >
>> > This allows us to encode in the type system whether a method requires
>> > that mm_users is non-zero or not. For instance, you can always call
>> > `mmget_not_zero` but you can only call `mmap_read_lock` when mm_users is
>> > non-zero.
>> >
>> > It's possible to access current->mm without a refcount increment, but
>> > that is added in a later patch of this series.
>> >
>> > Acked-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> (for mm bits)
>> > Signed-off-by: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
>> > ---
>> >  rust/helpers/helpers.c |   1 +
>> >  rust/helpers/mm.c      |  39 +++++++++
>> >  rust/kernel/lib.rs     |   1 +
>> >  rust/kernel/mm.rs      | 219 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> >  4 files changed, 260 insertions(+)
>> >
>> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/mm.rs b/rust/kernel/mm.rs
>> > new file mode 100644
>> > index 000000000000..84cba581edaa
>> > --- /dev/null
>> > +++ b/rust/kernel/mm.rs
>> > @@ -0,0 +1,219 @@
>> > +// SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
>> > +
>> > +// Copyright (C) 2024 Google LLC.
>> > +
>> > +//! Memory management.
>>
>> Could you add a little more context here?
>
> How about this?
>
> //! Memory management.
> //!
> //! This module deals with managing the address space of userspace
> processes. Each process has an
> //! instance of [`Mm`], which keeps track of multiple VMAs (virtual
> memory areas). Each VMA
> //! corresponds to a region of memory that the userspace process can
> access, and the VMA lets you
> //! control what happens when userspace reads or writes to that region
> of memory.
> //!
> //! C header: [`include/linux/mm.h`](srctree/include/linux/mm.h)

Nice 👍

>
>> > +//!
>> > +//! C header: [`include/linux/mm.h`](srctree/include/linux/mm.h)
>> > +
>> > +use crate::{
>> > +    bindings,
>> > +    types::{ARef, AlwaysRefCounted, NotThreadSafe, Opaque},
>> > +};
>> > +use core::{ops::Deref, ptr::NonNull};
>> > +
>> > +/// A wrapper for the kernel's `struct mm_struct`.
>>
>> Could you elaborate the data structure use case? When do I need it, what
>> does it do?
>
> How about this?
>
> /// A wrapper for the kernel's `struct mm_struct`.
> ///
> /// This represents the address space of a userspace process, so each
> process has one `Mm`
> /// instance. It may hold many VMAs internally.
> ///
> /// There is a counter called `mm_users` that counts the users of the
> address space; this includes
> /// the userspace process itself, but can also include kernel threads
> accessing the address space.
> /// Once `mm_users` reaches zero, this indicates that the address
> space can be destroyed. To access
> /// the address space, you must prevent `mm_users` from reaching zero
> while you are accessing it.
> /// The [`MmWithUser`] type represents an address space where this is
> guaranteed, and you can
> /// create one using [`mmget_not_zero`].
> ///
> /// The `ARef<Mm>` smart pointer holds an `mmgrab` refcount. Its
> destructor may sleep.

Cool 👍

>
>> > +///
>> > +/// Since `mm_users` may be zero, the associated address space may not exist anymore. You can use
>> > +/// [`mmget_not_zero`] to be able to access the address space.
>> > +///
>> > +/// The `ARef<Mm>` smart pointer holds an `mmgrab` refcount. Its destructor may sleep.
>> > +///
>> > +/// # Invariants
>> > +///
>> > +/// Values of this type are always refcounted using `mmgrab`.
>> > +///
>> > +/// [`mmget_not_zero`]: Mm::mmget_not_zero
>> > +#[repr(transparent)]
>> > +pub struct Mm {
>>
>> Could we come up with a better name? `MemoryMap` or `MemoryMapping`?. You
>> use `MMapReadGuard` later.
>
> Those names seem really confusing to me. The mmap syscall creates a
> new VMA, but MemoryMap sounds like it's the thing that mmap creates.
>
> Lorenzo, what do you think? I'm inclined to just call it Mm since
> that's what C calls it.

Well I guess there is value in using same names as C. The additional
docs you sent help a lot so I guess it is fine.

If we were writing from scratch I would have held hard on `AddressSpace`
or `MemoryMap` over `Mm`. `Mm` has got to be one of the least
descriptive names we can come up with.


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg




  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-15 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2024-12-11 10:37 ` [PATCH v11 0/8] Rust support for mm_struct, vm_area_struct, and mmap Alice Ryhl
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 1/8] mm: rust: add abstraction for struct mm_struct Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 11:31     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13  9:53       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 15:48         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15  1:54           ` John Hubbard
2025-01-15 12:13             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 10:36         ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2025-01-15 20:20           ` John Hubbard
2025-01-17  0:45     ` Balbir Singh
2025-01-17 12:47       ` Alice Ryhl
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 2/8] mm: rust: add vm_area_struct methods that require read access Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 12:12     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-08 12:21       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-09  8:02         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-09  8:19           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-09  9:50             ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-09 11:29               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-09 15:32                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 14:45                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14  9:50                     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 11:57                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 13:42                         ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 15:33                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 11:02                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-15 11:04                           ` Alice Ryhl
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 3/8] mm: rust: add vm_insert_page Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 12:25     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 10:02       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15  9:33         ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 4/8] mm: rust: add lock_vma_under_rcu Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 12:47     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 10:04       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15  9:34         ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 5/8] mm: rust: add mmput_async support Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 13:10     ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 6/8] mm: rust: add VmAreaNew for f_ops->mmap() Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 13:41     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-08 12:23       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-09  8:19         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 10:17           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15  9:57             ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-17  9:31     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-08 12:24       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-09  8:23         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 10:18           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-10 13:34     ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-10 16:09       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 7/8] rust: miscdevice: add mmap support Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 13:53     ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-11 10:37   ` [PATCH v11 8/8] task: rust: rework how current is accessed Alice Ryhl
2024-12-16 14:47     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-08 12:32       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-09  8:42         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-01-13 10:26           ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-15 10:24             ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-16 23:40     ` Boqun Feng
2025-01-13 10:30       ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-14 15:30         ` Boqun Feng
2024-12-11 10:47   ` [PATCH v11 0/8] Rust support for mm_struct, vm_area_struct, and mmap Alice Ryhl
2024-12-12 14:47     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2024-12-13 14:42       ` Alice Ryhl
2024-12-13 14:47         ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2024-12-16 11:04   ` Andreas Hindborg
2024-12-16 11:46     ` Alice Ryhl

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