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From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:45:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a4xcu80n.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260213112837.GT2995752@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org> writes:

> On Fri, Feb 13, 2026 at 07:42:53AM +0100, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>> When copying data from buffers that are mapped to user space, it is
>> impossible to guarantee absence of concurrent memory operations on those
>> buffers. Copying data to/from `Page` from/to these buffers would be
>> undefined behavior if no special considerations are made.
>>
>> Add methods on `Page` to read and write the contents using byte-wise atomic
>> operations.
>>
>> Also improve clarity by specifying additional requirements on
>> `read_raw`/`write_raw` methods regarding concurrent operations on involved
>> buffers.
>
>
>> +    /// - Callers must ensure that this call does not race with a write to the source page that
>> +    ///   overlaps with this read.
>
> Yeah, but per the bit above, its user mapped, you *CANNOT* ensure this.

Not all pages are user mapped. If `self` is user mapped, you cannot use
this function. As you say, it would not be possible to satisfy the
safety precondition.

If `self` is only mapped in the kernel and if you can guarantee that
there are no other concurrent writes to it, you can use this function.

>
> And same comment as for v2, none of this makes sense. Byte loads are not
> magically atomic. And they don't actually fix anything.

I am curious about on what architectures byte loads can tear?


Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg




  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-13 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-13  6:42 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 11:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:45   ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2026-02-13 14:35     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 16:42   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14  8:18     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 18:47       ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 17:44 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14  8:04   ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17  8:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17  9:42     ` Gary Guo
2026-02-17 10:47       ` Will Deacon
2026-02-17 17:10         ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-18  8:53           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:20           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 12:03 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 17:32   ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 23:10   ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18  9:40     ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:36       ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 12:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:56 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:00   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 12:07     ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:33       ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-18 14:42     ` Benno Lossin

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