From: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Lorenzo Stoakes" <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rust: page: add byte-wise atomic memory copy methods
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 13:45:28 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a4xcu80n.fsf@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260213112837.GT2995752@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org> writes:
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2026 at 07:42:53AM +0100, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>> When copying data from buffers that are mapped to user space, it is
>> impossible to guarantee absence of concurrent memory operations on those
>> buffers. Copying data to/from `Page` from/to these buffers would be
>> undefined behavior if no special considerations are made.
>>
>> Add methods on `Page` to read and write the contents using byte-wise atomic
>> operations.
>>
>> Also improve clarity by specifying additional requirements on
>> `read_raw`/`write_raw` methods regarding concurrent operations on involved
>> buffers.
>
>
>> + /// - Callers must ensure that this call does not race with a write to the source page that
>> + /// overlaps with this read.
>
> Yeah, but per the bit above, its user mapped, you *CANNOT* ensure this.
Not all pages are user mapped. If `self` is user mapped, you cannot use
this function. As you say, it would not be possible to satisfy the
safety precondition.
If `self` is only mapped in the kernel and if you can guarantee that
there are no other concurrent writes to it, you can use this function.
>
> And same comment as for v2, none of this makes sense. Byte loads are not
> magically atomic. And they don't actually fix anything.
I am curious about on what architectures byte loads can tear?
Best regards,
Andreas Hindborg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-13 12:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-13 6:42 Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-13 11:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 12:45 ` Andreas Hindborg [this message]
2026-02-13 14:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-13 16:42 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14 8:18 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 18:47 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-13 17:44 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-14 8:04 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-17 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 9:42 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-17 10:47 ` Will Deacon
2026-02-17 17:10 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-18 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-17 12:03 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-17 17:32 ` Boqun Feng
2026-02-17 23:10 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 9:40 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 10:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:36 ` Gary Guo
2026-02-18 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-18 11:56 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:00 ` Alice Ryhl
2026-02-18 12:07 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-02-18 12:33 ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-02-18 14:42 ` Benno Lossin
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