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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 bpf@vger.kernel.org,  Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
	 Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	 Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 20/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi struct ops
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2025 11:29:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877bweswvo.fsf@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQD_-a8oWHfRKcrX@slm.duckdns.org> (Tejun Heo's message of "Tue, 28 Oct 2025 07:40:09 -1000")

Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> writes:

> Hello,
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 04:22:03PM -0700, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> This patch implements a BPF struct ops-based mechanism to create
>> PSI triggers, attach them to cgroups or system wide and handle
>> PSI events in BPF.
>> 
>> The struct ops provides 3 callbacks:
>>   - init() called once at load, handy for creating PSI triggers
>>   - handle_psi_event() called every time a PSI trigger fires
>>   - handle_cgroup_online() called when a new cgroup is created
>>   - handle_cgroup_offline() called if a cgroup with an attached
>>     trigger is deleted
>> 
>> A single struct ops can create a number of PSI triggers, both
>> cgroup-scoped and system-wide.
>> 
>> All 4 struct ops callbacks can be sleepable. handle_psi_event()
>> handlers are executed using a separate workqueue, so it won't
>> affect the latency of other PSI triggers.
>
> Here, too, I wonder whether it's necessary to build a hard-coded
> infrastructure to hook into PSI's triggers. psi_avgs_work() is what triggers
> these events and it's not that hot. Wouldn't a fexit attachment to that
> function that reads the updated values be enough? We can also easily add a
> TP there if a more structured access is desirable.

Idk, it would require re-implementing parts of the kernel PSI trigger code
in BPF, without clear benefits.

Handling PSI in BPF might be quite useful outside of the OOM handling,
e.g. it can be used for scheduling decisions, networking throttling,
memory tiering, etc. So maybe I'm biased (and I'm obviously am here), but
I'm not too concerned about adding infrastructure which won't be used.

But I understand your point. I personally feel that the added complexity of
the infrastructure makes writing and maintaining BPF PSI programs
simpler, but I'm open to other opinions here.

Thanks


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-28 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 23:21 [PATCH v2 11/23] mm: introduce BPF kfunc to access memory events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 12/23] bpf: selftests: selftests for memcg stat kfuncs Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 13/23] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:43     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-10  9:46   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:13     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-12  7:50       ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 14/23] mm: allow specifying custom oom constraint for BPF triggers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:58     ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 16:20       ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 16:35         ` Chris Mason
2025-11-10  9:31   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:17     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-12  7:52       ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 15/23] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:32   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:09     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 18:31       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-27 23:21 ` [PATCH v2 16/23] libbpf: introduce bpf_map__attach_struct_ops_opts() Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:07     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:24       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 17/23] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:31     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 18/23] bpf: selftests: BPF OOM handler test Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 19/23] sched: psi: refactor psi_trigger_create() Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 20/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi struct ops Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:40   ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:29     ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2025-10-28 18:35       ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 19:54         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 21/23] sched: psi: implement bpf_psi_create_trigger() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 22/23] bpf: selftests: add config for psi Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:22 ` [PATCH v2 23/23] bpf: selftests: PSI struct ops test Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48   ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:13     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:30       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-11-10  9:48   ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-11 19:03     ` Roman Gushchin

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