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From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, nvdimm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 16/18] mm/memremap_pages: Support initializing pages to a zero reference count
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2022 10:03:26 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jx0nud3.fsf@nvdebian.thelocal> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <632ba212e32bb_349629451@dwillia2-xfh.jf.intel.com.notmuch>


Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> writes:

> Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 08:36:43PM -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > The initial memremap_pages() implementation inherited the
>> > __init_single_page() default of pages starting life with an elevated
>> > reference count. This originally allowed for the page->pgmap pointer to
>> > alias with the storage for page->lru since a page was only allowed to be
>> > on an lru list when its reference count was zero.
>> >
>> > Since then, 'struct page' definition cleanups have arranged for
>> > dedicated space for the ZONE_DEVICE page metadata, and the
>> > MEMORY_DEVICE_{PRIVATE,COHERENT} work has arranged for the 1 -> 0
>> > page->_refcount transition to route the page to free_zone_device_page()
>> > and not the core-mm page-free. With those cleanups in place and with
>> > filesystem-dax and device-dax now converted to take and drop references
>> > at map and truncate time, it is possible to start MEMORY_DEVICE_FS_DAX
>> > and MEMORY_DEVICE_GENERIC reference counts at 0.
>> >
>> > MEMORY_DEVICE_{PRIVATE,COHERENT} still expect that their ZONE_DEVICE
>> > pages start life at _refcount 1, so make that the default if
>> > pgmap->init_mode is left at zero.
>>
>> I'm shocked to read this - how does it make any sense?
>
> I think what happened is that since memremap_pages() historically
> produced pages with an elevated reference count that GPU drivers skipped
> taking a reference on first allocation and just passed along an elevated
> reference count page to the first user.
>
> So either we keep that assumption or update all users to be prepared for
> idle pages coming out of memremap_pages().
>
> This is all in reaction to the "set_page_count(page, 1);" in
> free_zone_device_page(). Which I am happy to get rid of but need from
> help from MEMORY_DEVICE_{PRIVATE,COHERENT} folks to react to
> memremap_pages() starting all pages at reference count 0.

This is all rather good timing - This week I've been in the middle of
getting a series together which fixes this among other things. So I'm
all for fixing it and can help with that - my motivation was I needed to
be able to tell if a page is free or not with get_page_unless_zero()
etc. which doesn't work at the moment because free device
private/coherent pages have an elevated refcount.

 - Alistair

>> dev_pagemap_ops->page_free() is only called on the 1->0 transition, so
>> any driver which implements it must be expecting pages to have a 0
>> refcount.
>>
>> Looking around everything but only fsdax_pagemap_ops implements
>> page_free()
>
> Right.
>
>> So, how does it work? Surely the instant the page map is created all
>> the pages must be considered 'free', and after page_free() is called I
>> would also expect the page to be considered free.
>
> The GPU drivers need to increment reference counts when they hand out
> the page rather than reuse the reference count that they get by default.
>
>> How on earth can a free'd page have both a 0 and 1 refcount??
>
> This is residual wonkiness from memremap_pages() handing out pages with
> elevated reference counts at the outset.
>
>> eg look at the simple hmm_test, it threads pages on to the
>> mdevice->free_pages list immediately after memremap_pages and then
>> again inside page_free() - it is completely wrong that they would have
>> different refcounts while on the free_pages list.
>
> I do not see any page_ref_inc() in that test, only put_page() so it is
> assuming non-idle pages at the outset.
>
>> I would expect that after the page is removed from the free_pages list
>> it will have its recount set to 1 to make it non-free then it will go
>> through the migration.
>>
>> Alistair how should the refcounting be working here in hmm_test?
>>
>> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-22  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-16  3:35 [PATCH v2 00/18] Fix the DAX-gup mistake Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] fsdax: Wait on @page not @page->_refcount Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:30   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] fsdax: Use dax_page_idle() to document DAX busy page checking Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:31   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] fsdax: Include unmapped inodes for page-idle detection Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] ext4: Add ext4_break_layouts() to the inode eviction path Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] xfs: Add xfs_break_layouts() " Dan Williams
     [not found]   ` <20220918225731.GG3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-19 16:11     ` Dan Williams
     [not found]       ` <20220919212959.GL3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-20 16:44         ` Dan Williams
     [not found]           ` <20220921221416.GT3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-21 22:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]               ` <20220923001846.GX3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-23  0:41                 ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                   ` <20220923021012.GZ3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-23  9:38                     ` Jan Kara
2022-09-23 23:06                       ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                       ` <20220925235407.GA3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-26 14:10                         ` Jan Kara
2022-09-29 23:33                           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-30 13:41                             ` Jan Kara
2022-09-30 17:56                               ` Dan Williams
2022-09-30 18:06                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-30 18:46                                   ` Dan Williams
2022-10-03  7:55                                   ` Jan Kara
2022-09-23 12:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                       ` <20220926003430.GB3600936@dread.disaster.area>
2022-09-26 13:04                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:02             ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:10               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] fsdax: Rework dax_layout_busy_page() to dax_zap_mappings() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] fsdax: Update dax_insert_entry() calling convention to return an error Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] fsdax: Cleanup dax_associate_entry() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] fsdax: Rework dax_insert_entry() calling convention Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] fsdax: Manage pgmap references at entry insertion and deletion Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:03   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:18     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 21:38       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 22:07         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:14           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:25             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  2:17               ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22 17:55                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22 21:54                   ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23  1:36                     ` Dave Chinner
2022-09-23  2:01                       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 13:24                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-23 16:29                       ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 17:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-23 19:03                           ` Dan Williams
2022-09-23 19:23                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-27  6:07                             ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-27 12:56                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] devdax: Minor warning fixups Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] devdax: Move address_space helpers to the DAX core Dan Williams
2022-09-27  6:20   ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-29 22:38     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] dax: Prep mapping helpers for compound pages Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:06   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:19     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] devdax: add PUD support to the DAX mapping infrastructure Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] devdax: Use dax_insert_entry() + dax_delete_mapping_entry() Dan Williams
2022-09-21 14:10   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 15:48     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-21 22:23       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:15         ` Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] mm/memremap_pages: Support initializing pages to a zero reference count Dan Williams
2022-09-21 15:24   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-21 23:45     ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  0:03       ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2022-09-22  0:04       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-22  0:34         ` Dan Williams
2022-09-22  1:36           ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-22  2:34             ` Dan Williams
2022-09-26  6:17               ` Alistair Popple
2022-09-22  0:13       ` John Hubbard
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] fsdax: Delete put_devmap_managed_page_refs() Dan Williams
2022-09-16  3:36 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] mm/gup: Drop DAX pgmap accounting Dan Williams
2022-09-20 14:29 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Fix the DAX-gup mistake Jason Gunthorpe
2022-09-20 16:50   ` Dan Williams
2022-11-09  0:20 ` Andrew Morton
2022-11-09 11:38   ` Jan Kara

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