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From: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, tytso@mit.edu,
	mfasheh@suse.com, jlbec@evilplan.org, matthew@wil.cx,
	linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	hch@infradead.org, ngupta@vflare.org, jeremy@goop.org,
	JBeulich@novell.com, Kurt Hackel <kurt.hackel@oracle.com>,
	npiggin@kernel.dk, Dave Mccracken <dave.mccracken@oracle.com>,
	riel@redhat.com, avi@redhat.com,
	Konrad Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	mel@csn.ul.ie, yinghan@google.com, gthelen@google.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V8 4/8] mm/fs: add hooks to support cleancache
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:37:36 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871v135xvj.fsf@devron.myhome.or.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110415081054.79a164d3.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (Andrew Morton's message of "Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:10:54 -0700")

Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> writes:

>> > Before I suggested a thing about cleancache_flush_page,
>> > cleancache_flush_inode.
>> > 
>> > what's the meaning of flush's semantic?
>> > I thought it means invalidation.
>> > AFAIC, how about change flush with invalidate?
>> 
>> I'm not sure the words "flush" and "invalidate" are defined
>> precisely or used consistently everywhere in computer
>> science, but I think that "invalidate" is to destroy
>> a "pointer" to some data, but not necessarily destroy the
>> data itself.   And "flush" means to actually remove
>> the data.  So one would "invalidate a mapping" but one
>> would "flush a cache".
>> 
>> Since cleancache_flush_page and cleancache_flush_inode
>> semantically remove data from cleancache, I think flush
>> is a better name than invalidate.
>> 
>> Does that make sense?
>> 
>
> nope ;)
>
> Kernel code freely uses "flush" to refer to both invalidation and to
> writeback, sometimes in confusing ways.  In this case,
> cleancache_flush_inode and cleancache_flush_page rather sound like they
> might write those things to backing store.  

I'd like to mention about *_{get,put}_page too. In linux get/put is not
meaning read/write. There is {get,put}_page those are refcount stuff
(Yeah, and I felt those methods does refcount by quick read. But it
seems to be false. There is no xen codes, so I don't know actually
though.).

And I agree, I also think the needing thing is consistency on the linux
codes (term).

Thanks.
-- 
OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-15 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-14 21:17 Dan Magenheimer
2011-04-14 23:37 ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-15 14:47   ` Dan Magenheimer
2011-04-15 15:10     ` Andrew Morton
2011-04-15 15:32       ` Dan Magenheimer
2011-04-15 15:37       ` OGAWA Hirofumi [this message]
2011-04-15 18:53         ` Dan Magenheimer
2011-04-18  5:32           ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-26 16:00             ` Dan Magenheimer

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