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From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,  Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs/exec: Explicitly unshare fs_struct on exec
Date: Tue, 13 May 2025 17:16:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871pss17hq.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez0aP8LaGppy6Yon7xcFbQa1=CM-HXSZChvXYV2VJZ8y7g@mail.gmail.com> (Jann Horn's message of "Tue, 13 May 2025 23:09:48 +0200")

Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> writes:

> On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 10:57 PM Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org> wrote:
>> On May 13, 2025 6:05:45 AM PDT, Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Here is my proposal: *deny* exec of suid/sgid binaries if fs_struct is
>> >shared. This will have to be checked for after the execing proc becomes
>> >single-threaded ofc.
>>
>> Unfortunately the above Chrome helper is setuid and uses CLONE_FS.
>
> Chrome first launches a setuid helper, and then the setuid helper does
> CLONE_FS. Mateusz's proposal would not impact this usecase.
>
> Mateusz is proposing to block the case where a process first does
> CLONE_FS, and *then* one of the processes sharing the fs_struct does a
> setuid execve(). Linux already downgrades such an execve() to be
> non-setuid, which probably means anyone trying to do this will get
> hard-to-understand problems. Mateusz' proposal would just turn this
> hard-to-debug edgecase, which already doesn't really work, into a
> clean error; I think that is a nice improvement even just from the
> UAPI standpoint.
>
> If this change makes it possible to clean up the kernel code a bit, even better.

What has brought this to everyone's attention just now?  This is
the second mention of this code path I have seen this week.

AKA: security/commoncap.c:cap_bprm_creds_from_file(...)
> ...
> 	/* Don't let someone trace a set[ug]id/setpcap binary with the revised
> 	 * credentials unless they have the appropriate permit.
> 	 *
> 	 * In addition, if NO_NEW_PRIVS, then ensure we get no new privs.
> 	 */
> 	is_setid = __is_setuid(new, old) || __is_setgid(new, old);
> 
> 	if ((is_setid || __cap_gained(permitted, new, old)) &&
> 	    ((bprm->unsafe & ~LSM_UNSAFE_PTRACE) ||
> 	     !ptracer_capable(current, new->user_ns))) {
> 		/* downgrade; they get no more than they had, and maybe less */
> 		if (!ns_capable(new->user_ns, CAP_SETUID) ||
> 		    (bprm->unsafe & LSM_UNSAFE_NO_NEW_PRIVS)) {
> 			new->euid = new->uid;
> 			new->egid = new->gid;
> 		}
> 		new->cap_permitted = cap_intersect(new->cap_permitted,
> 						   old->cap_permitted);
> 	}

The actual downgrade is because a ptrace'd executable also takes
this path.

I have seen it argued rather forcefully that continuing rather than
simply failing seems better in the ptrace case.

In general I think it can be said this policy is "safe".  AKA we don't
let a shared fs struct confuse privileged applications.  So nothing
to panic about.

It looks like most of the lsm's also test bprm->unsafe.

So I imagine someone could very carefully separate the non-ptrace case
from the ptrace case but *shrug*.

Perhaps:

 	if ((is_setid || __cap_gained(permitted, new_old)) &&
 	    ((bprm->unsafe & ~LSM_UNSAFE_PTRACE) ||
 	     !ptracer_capable(current, new->user_ns))) {
+		if (!(bprm->unsafe & LSM_UNSAFE_PTRACE)) {
+			return -EPERM;
+		}
  		/* downgrade; they get no more than they had, and maybe less */
  		if (!ns_capable(new->user_ns, CAP_SETUID) ||
  		    (bprm->unsafe & LSM_UNSAFE_NO_NEW_PRIVS)) {
  			new->euid = new->uid;
  			new->egid = new->gid;
  		}
  		new->cap_permitted = cap_intersect(new->cap_permitted,
  						   old->cap_permitted);
         }

If that is what you want that doesn't look to scary.  I don't think
it simplifies anything about fs->in_exec.  As fs->in_exec is set when
the processing calling exec is the only process that owns the fs_struct.
With fs->in_exec just being a flag that doesn't allow another thread
to call fork and start sharing the fs_struct during exec.

*Shrug*

I don't see why anyone would care.  It is just a very silly corner case.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-13 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-06  8:27 [PATCH 0/2] " Kees Cook
2022-10-06  8:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Kees Cook
2022-10-06  9:05   ` Christian Brauner
2022-10-06 10:48     ` David Laight
2022-10-06 14:13     ` Jann Horn
2022-10-06 15:25       ` Kees Cook
2022-10-06 15:35         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-13 13:05         ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-13 15:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-13 20:57           ` Kees Cook
2025-05-13 21:09             ` Jann Horn
2025-05-13 22:16               ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2025-05-14  0:03                 ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-05-14 15:33                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-14 15:42                   ` Kees Cook
2025-05-15 16:48                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-13 23:15               ` Kees Cook
2022-10-14  3:18       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-10-14  3:54         ` Kees Cook
2022-10-14 15:35         ` Jann Horn
2022-10-18  7:09           ` Kees Cook
2022-10-18 11:19             ` Jann Horn
2022-10-14 22:03         ` David Laight
2022-11-28 17:49           ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-10-06  8:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] exec: Remove LSM_UNSAFE_SHARE Kees Cook

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