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Mon, 22 Dec 2025 07:03:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <86300955-72e4-42d5-892d-f49bdf14441e@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 16:03:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] swsusp: make it possible to hibernate to device mapper devices To: Askar Safin , mpatocka@redhat.com Cc: Dell.Client.Kernel@dell.com, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-lvm@lists.linux.dev, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, lvm-devel@lists.linux.dev, pavel@ucw.cz, rafael@kernel.org References: <20251217231837.157443-1-safinaskar@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Milan Broz Autocrypt: addr=gmazyland@gmail.com; keydata= xsFNBE94p38BEADZRET8y1gVxlfDk44/XwBbFjC7eM6EanyCuivUPMmPwYDo9qRey0JdOGhW hAZeutGGxsKliozmeTL25Z6wWICu2oeY+ZfbgJQYHFeQ01NVwoYy57hhytZw/6IMLFRcIaWS Hd7oNdneQg6mVJcGdA/BOX68uo3RKSHj6Q8GoQ54F/NpCotzVcP1ORpVJ5ptyG0x6OZm5Esn 61pKE979wcHsz7EzcDYl+3MS63gZm+O3D1u80bUMmBUlxyEiC5jo5ksTFheA8m/5CAPQtxzY vgezYlLLS3nkxaq2ERK5DhvMv0NktXSutfWQsOI5WLjG7UWStwAnO2W+CVZLcnZV0K6OKDaF bCj4ovg5HV0FyQZknN2O5QbxesNlNWkMOJAnnX6c/zowO7jq8GCpa3oJl3xxmwFbCZtH4z3f EVw0wAFc2JlnufR4dhaax9fhNoUJ4OSVTi9zqstxhEyywkazakEvAYwOlC5+1FKoc9UIvApA GvgcTJGTOp7MuHptHGwWvGZEaJqcsqoy7rsYPxtDQ7bJuJJblzGIUxWAl8qsUsF8M4ISxBkf fcUYiR0wh1luUhXFo2rRTKT+Ic/nJDE66Ee4Ecn9+BPlNODhlEG1vk62rhiYSnyzy5MAUhUl stDxuEjYK+NGd2aYH0VANZalqlUZFTEdOdA6NYROxkYZVsVtXQARAQABzSBNaWxhbiBCcm96 IDxnbWF6eWxhbmRAZ21haWwuY29tPsLBlQQTAQgAPwIbAwYLCQgHAwIGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwEC HgECF4AWIQQqKRgkP95GZI0GhvnZsFd72T6Y/AUCYaUUZgUJJPhv5wAKCRDZsFd72T6Y/D5N D/438pkYd5NyycQ2Gu8YAjF57Od2GfeiftCDBOMXzh1XxIx7gLosLHvzCZ0SaRYPVF/Nr/X9 sreJVrMkwd1ILNdCQB1rLBhhKzwYFztmOYvdCG9LRrBVJPgtaYqO/0493CzXwQ7FfkEc4OVB uhBs4YwFu+kmhh0NngcP4jaaaIziHw/rQ9vLiAi28p1WeVTzOjtBt8QisTidS2VkZ+/iAgqB 9zz2UPkE1UXBAPU4iEsGCVXGWRz99IULsTNjP4K3p8ZpdZ6ovy7X6EN3lYhbpmXYLzZ3RXst PEojSvqpkSQsjUksR5VBE0GnaY4B8ZlM3Ng2o7vcxbToQOsOkbVGn+59rpBKgiRadRFuT+2D x80VrwWBccaph+VOfll9/4FVv+SBQ1wSPOUHl11TWVpdMFKtQgA5/HHldVqrcEssWJb9/tew 9pqxTDn6RHV/pfzKCspiiLVkI66BF802cpyboLBBSvcDuLHbOBHrpC+IXCZ7mgkCrgMlZMql wFWBjAu8Zlc5tQJPgE9eeQAQrfZRcLgux88PtxhVihA1OsMNoqYapgMzMTubLUMYCCsjrHZe nzw5uTcjig0RHz9ilMJlvVbhwVVLmmmf4p/R37QYaqm1RycLpvkUZUzSz2NCyTcZp9nM6ooR GhpDQWmUdH1Jz9T6E9//KIhI6xt4//P15ZfiIs7BTQRPeKd/ARAA3oR1fJ/D3GvnoInVqydD U9LGnMQaVSwQe+fjBy5/ILwo3pUZSVHdaKeVoa84gLO9g6JLToTo+ooMSBtsCkGHb//oiGTU 7KdLTLiFh6kmL6my11eiK53o1BI1CVwWMJ8jxbMBPet6exUubBzceBFbmqq3lVz4RZ2D1zKV njxB0/KjdbI53anIv7Ko1k+MwaKMTzO/O6vBmI71oGQkKO6WpcyzVjLIip9PEpDUYJRCrhKg hBeMPwe+AntP9Om4N/3AWF6icarGImnFvTYswR2Q+C6AoiAbqI4WmXOuzJLKiImwZrSYnSfQ 7qtdDGXWYr/N1+C+bgI8O6NuAg2cjFHE96xwJVhyaMzyROUZgm4qngaBvBvCQIhKzit61oBe I/drZ/d5JolzlKdZZrcmofmiCQRa+57OM3Fbl8ykFazN1ASyCex2UrftX5oHmhaeeRlGVaTV iEbAvU4PP4RnNKwaWQivsFhqQrfFFhvFV9CRSvsR6qu5eiFI6c8CjB49gBcKKAJ9a8gkyWs8 sg4PYY7L15XdRn8kOf/tg98UCM1vSBV2moEJA0f98/Z48LQXNb7dgvVRtH6owARspsV6nJyD vktsLTyMW5BW9q4NC1rgQC8GQXjrQ+iyQLNwy5ESe2MzGKkHogxKg4Pvi1wZh9Snr+RyB0Rq rIrzbXhyi47+7wcAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBCopGCQ/3kZkjQaG+dmwV3vZPpj8BQJh pRSXBQkk+HAYAAoJENmwV3vZPpj8BPMP/iZV+XROOhs/MsKd7ngQeFgETkmt8YVhb2Rg3Vgp AQe9cn6aw9jk3CnB0ecNBdoyyt33t3vGNau6iCwlRfaTdXg9qtIyctuCQSewY2YMk5AS8Mmb XoGvjH1Z/irrVsoSz+N7HFPKIlAy8D/aRwS1CHm9saPQiGoeR/zThciVYncRG/U9J6sV8XH9 OEPnQQR4w/V1bYI9Sk+suGcSFN7pMRMsSslOma429A3bEbZ7Ikt9WTJnUY9XfL5ZqQnjLeRl 8243OTfuHSth26upjZIQ2esccZMYpQg0/MOlHvuFuFu6MFL/gZDNzH8jAcBrNd/6ABKsecYT nBInKH2TONc0kC65oAhrSSBNLudTuPHce/YBCsUCAEMwgJTybdpMQh9NkS68WxQtXxU6neoQ U7kEJGGFsc7/yXiQXuVvJUkK/Xs04X6j0l1f/6KLoNQ9ep/2In596B0BcvvaKv7gdDt1Trgg vlB+GpT+iFRLvhCBe5kAERREfRfmWJq1bHod/ulrp/VLGAaZlOBTgsCzufWF5SOLbZkmV2b5 xy2F/AU3oQUZncCvFMTWpBC+gO/o3kZCyyGCaQdQe4jS/FUJqR1suVwNMzcOJOP/LMQwujE/ Ch7XLM35VICo9qqhih4OvLHUAWzC5dNSipL+rSGHvWBdfXDhbezJIl6sp7/1rJfS8qPs In-Reply-To: <20251217231837.157443-1-safinaskar@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: 6m149mfu8h7iukk3rhr4broeyck4d5k5 X-Rspam-User: X-Rspamd-Server: rspam07 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 0ECD810000E X-HE-Tag: 1766415805-796686 X-HE-Meta: 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 or54cmjI siT1NdhCdDA+qhTwhffX/qr6qQG1nz9AdFF1f041SsgQnoonPLbyiS/oxtA== X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000001, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On 12/18/25 12:18 AM, Askar Safin wrote: > Mikulas Patocka : >> Askar Safin requires swap and hibernation on the dm-integrity device mapper >> target because he needs to protect his data. > > Hi, Mikulas, Milan and others. > > I'm running swap on dm-integrity for 40 days. > > It runs mostly without problems. > > But yesterday my screen freezed for 4 minutes. And then continued to work > normally. > > So, may I ask again a question: is swap on dm-integrity supposed to work > at all? (I. e. swap partition on top of dm-integrity partition on top of > actual disk partition.) (I'm talking about swap here, not about hibernation.) Hi, I am not sure if Mikulas is available; maybe it's better to try again in January... Anyway, my understanding is that all device-mapper targets use mempools, which should ensure that they can process even under memory pressure. AFAIK, swap over a device-mapper target (any target!) with a real block device should be ok. The problematic part is stacking over a filesystem (through a loop) as Mikulas mentioned. If I interpret Mikulas' answer correctly, it is the filesystem that could allocate memory here, and it deadlocks because of it (as it is swap itself). So I believe it can happen with other DM targets too. (If I am mistaken, please correct me.) I wish it could work, but I do not understand kernel details anymore here. It seems we are still in "a little walled gardens" communication issues among various kernel subsystems, as one of the former maintainers said :-) But you asked about a real block device, so it should work. I guess it is just another bug you see... Milan > > Mikulas Patocka said here https://lore.kernel.org/all/3f3d871a-6a86-354f-f83d-a871793a4a47@redhat.com/ : > >> Encrypted swap file is not supposed to work. It uses the loop device that >> routes the requests to a filesystem and the filesystem needs to allocate >> memory to process requests. > >> So, this is what happened to you - the machine runs out of memory, it >> needs to swap out some pages, dm-crypt encrypts the pages and generates >> write bios, the write bios are directed to the loop device, the loop >> device directs them to the filesystem, the filesystem attempts to allocate >> more memory => deadlock. > > Does the same apply to dm-integrity? > > I. e. is it possible that write to dm-integrity will lead to allocation? >