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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/5] arm64: mm: support batch clearing of the young flag for large folios
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 12:12:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85094ce2-21a8-4d25-bd96-7d809c5daa3b@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <02239ca7-9701-4bfa-af0f-dcf0d05a3e89@linux.alibaba.com>

On 25/12/2025 02:48, Baolin Wang wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2025/12/24 22:07, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 23/12/2025 05:48, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>> Currently, contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young() and
>>> contpte_ptep_clear_flush_young()
>>> only clear the young flag and flush TLBs for PTEs within the contiguous range.
>>> To support batch PTE operations for other sized large folios in the following
>>> patches, adding a new parameter to specify the number of PTEs that map
>>> consecutive
>>> pages of the same large folio in a single VMA and a single page table.
>>>
>>> While we are at it, rename the functions to maintain consistency with other
>>> contpte_*() functions.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
>>> ---
>>>   arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h | 12 ++++++------
>>>   arch/arm64/mm/contpte.c          | 33 ++++++++++++++++++--------------
>>>   2 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> index 445e18e92221..d5fbe72e820a 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h
>>> @@ -1648,10 +1648,10 @@ extern void contpte_clear_full_ptes(struct mm_struct
>>> *mm, unsigned long addr,
>>>   extern pte_t contpte_get_and_clear_full_ptes(struct mm_struct *mm,
>>>                   unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep,
>>>                   unsigned int nr, int full);
>>> -extern int contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> -                unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep);
>>> -extern int contpte_ptep_clear_flush_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> -                unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep);
>>> +int contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> +                unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr);
>>> +int contpte_clear_flush_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> +                unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr);
>>>   extern void contpte_wrprotect_ptes(struct mm_struct *mm, unsigned long addr,
>>>                   pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr);
>>>   extern int contpte_ptep_set_access_flags(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> @@ -1823,7 +1823,7 @@ static inline int ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct
>>> vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>       if (likely(!pte_valid_cont(orig_pte)))
>>>           return __ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>>   -    return contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>> +    return contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(vma, addr, ptep, CONT_PTES);
>>
>> As per your fixup patch, I agree that nr should be 1 here, not CONT_PTES.
> 
> Yes.
> 
>>>   }
>>>     #define __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_CLEAR_YOUNG_FLUSH
>>> @@ -1835,7 +1835,7 @@ static inline int ptep_clear_flush_young(struct
>>> vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>       if (likely(!pte_valid_cont(orig_pte)))
>>>           return __ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>>   -    return contpte_ptep_clear_flush_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>> +    return contpte_clear_flush_young_ptes(vma, addr, ptep, CONT_PTES);
>>
>> And same here.
>>
>>>   }
>>>     #define wrprotect_ptes wrprotect_ptes
>>> diff --git a/arch/arm64/mm/contpte.c b/arch/arm64/mm/contpte.c
>>> index e4ddeb46f25d..b929a455103f 100644
>>> --- a/arch/arm64/mm/contpte.c
>>> +++ b/arch/arm64/mm/contpte.c
>>> @@ -508,8 +508,9 @@ pte_t contpte_get_and_clear_full_ptes(struct mm_struct *mm,
>>>   }
>>>   EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(contpte_get_and_clear_full_ptes);
>>>   -int contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> -                    unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep)
>>> +int contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> +                    unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep,
>>> +                    unsigned int nr)
>>>   {
>>>       /*
>>>        * ptep_clear_flush_young() technically requires us to clear the access
>>> @@ -518,41 +519,45 @@ int contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young(struct
>>> vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>        * contig range when the range is covered by a single folio, we can get
>>>        * away with clearing young for the whole contig range here, so we avoid
>>>        * having to unfold.
>>> +     *
>>> +     * The 'nr' means consecutive (present) PTEs that map consecutive pages
>>> +     * of the same large folio in a single VMA and a single page table.
>>>        */
>>>   +    unsigned long end = addr + nr * PAGE_SIZE;
>>>       int young = 0;
>>> -    int i;
>>>   -    ptep = contpte_align_down(ptep);
>>> -    addr = ALIGN_DOWN(addr, CONT_PTE_SIZE);
>>> -
>>> -    for (i = 0; i < CONT_PTES; i++, ptep++, addr += PAGE_SIZE)
>>> +    ptep = contpte_align_addr_ptep(&addr, &end, ptep, nr);
>>> +    for (; addr != end; ptep++, addr += PAGE_SIZE)
>>>           young |= __ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>>         return young;
>>>   }
>>> -EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young);
>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes);
>>>   -int contpte_ptep_clear_flush_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> -                    unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep)
>>> +int contpte_clear_flush_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>> +                unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep,
>>> +                unsigned int nr)
>>>   {
>>>       int young;
>>>   -    young = contpte_ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep);
>>> +    young = contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(vma, addr, ptep, nr);
>>>         if (young) {
>>> +        unsigned long end = addr + nr * PAGE_SIZE;
>>> +
>>> +        contpte_align_addr_ptep(&addr, &end, ptep, nr);
>>>           /*
>>>            * See comment in __ptep_clear_flush_young(); same rationale for
>>>            * eliding the trailing DSB applies here.
>>>            */
>>> -        addr = ALIGN_DOWN(addr, CONT_PTE_SIZE);
>>> -        __flush_tlb_range_nosync(vma->vm_mm, addr, addr + CONT_PTE_SIZE,
>>> +        __flush_tlb_range_nosync(vma->vm_mm, addr, end,
>>>                        PAGE_SIZE, true, 3);
>>
>> Hmm... The requirement is that we must flush the _page_ if clearing access for a
>> pte that does not have the contiguous bit set, or we must flush the _contpte
>> block_ if clearing access for a pte that does have the contiguous bit set.
>>
>> With your changes, you may call for a large range that covers multiple contpte
>> blocks but only has a single pte in a single contpte block for which the access
>> bit was previously set. But that will cause flushing the TLB for the full range.
>> Could this cause a performance issue? Yes, no, maybe... I think it's unlikely
>> but I wouldn't rule it out in some edge case.
>>
>> I wonder if it's better to track the sub-ranges where access was cleared and
>> only issue tlbi for those sub-ranges? Probably just keep it simple (the way you
>> have done it) until/unless we see an actual problem?
> 
> Good question. Indeed, as you said, we flush the TLB per folio now, which might
> increase the flush range. However, I think this approach is relatively
> reasonable for now.
> 
> First, the mm-core also tracks the access status per folio, and it's really
> unnecessary to add excessive complexity to track the access status of sub-pages
> (or sub-ranges). I can already imagine that tracking the access status for each
> cont-block range as well as for non-cont pages across the entire large folio
> range, which can be too complicated.
> 
> Second, __flush_tlb_range_nosync() is a lightweight flush. I quickly ran a
> measurement on my machine and found that the overhead of
> __flush_tlb_range_nosync() barely changes between nr=16 and nr=256 (both are
> around 40 ns).

I'm not concerned about the direct cost of the flush; I agree it should be
lightweight given we elide the trailing DSB. (although there is a possible case
on older HW that doesn't support TLBI-by-range where this will be converted to
multiple TLBI-by-page instructions and that can cause stalls if there are too
many of them).

My concern was the opportunity cost of evicting the entries for all the
non-accessed parts of the folio from the TLB. But of course, I'm talking
nonsense because the architecture does not allow caching non-accessed entries in
the TLB.

So doesn't sound like a problem; I think we can ignore this. Sorry for the noise.

> 
> Therefore, I would still prefer to keep the logic here simple.

Agreed.

Thanks,
Ryan



  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-02 12:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-23  5:48 [PATCH v4 0/5] support batch checking of references and unmapping " Baolin Wang
2025-12-23  5:48 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] mm: rmap: support batched checks of the references " Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 13:24   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-25  1:01     ` Baolin Wang
2025-12-23  5:48 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] arm64: mm: factor out the address and ptep alignment into a new helper Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 13:51   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-23  5:48 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] arm64: mm: support batch clearing of the young flag for large folios Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 10:54   ` [PATCH] arm64: mm: fix passing the incorrect 'CONT_PTES' for non-batched APIs Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 14:07   ` [PATCH v4 3/5] arm64: mm: support batch clearing of the young flag for large folios Ryan Roberts
2025-12-25  2:48     ` Baolin Wang
2026-01-02 12:12       ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2025-12-23  5:48 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] arm64: mm: implement the architecture-specific clear_flush_young_ptes() Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 14:09   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-23  5:48 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] mm: rmap: support batched unmapping for file large folios Baolin Wang
2025-12-24 14:11   ` Ryan Roberts

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