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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>,
	Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	syzbot+5c0d9392e042f41d45c5@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64/mm: Disable barrier batching in interrupt contexts
Date: Mon, 12 May 2025 14:05:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <836f2574-cb60-44c5-865c-7f13a90779ec@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e37d5e61-54e7-4425-837f-25a13f5a68b5@arm.com>


>>>    static inline void arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode(void)
>>>    {
>>> +    if (in_interrupt())
>>> +        return;
>>> +
>>>        arch_flush_lazy_mmu_mode();
>>>        clear_thread_flag(TIF_LAZY_MMU);
>>>    }
>>
>> I guess in all cases we could optimize out the in_interrupt() check on !debug
>> configs.
> 
> I think that assumes we can easily and accurately identify all configs that
> cause this? We've identified 2 but I'm not confident that it's a full list.

Agreed. I was wondering if we could convert the ones to use different 
pte helpers, whereby these helpers would not be available without 
CONFIG_WHATEVER. Then, make these features select CONFIG_WHATEVER.

VM_WARN_ON_* would be used to catch any violations / wrong use of pte 
helpers.

> Also, KFENCE isn't really a debug config (despite me calling it that in the
> commit log) - it's supposed to be something that can be enabled in production
> builds.

Agreed. Even Fedora has it.

> 
>>
>> Hm, maybe there is an elegant way to catch all of these "problematic" users?
> 
> I'm all ears if you have any suggestions? :)
> 
> 
> It actaully looks like x86/XEN tries to solves this problem in a similar way:

Heh, yes. Good old xen ...

> 
> enum xen_lazy_mode xen_get_lazy_mode(void)
> {
> 	if (in_interrupt())
> 		return XEN_LAZY_NONE;
> 
> 	return this_cpu_read(xen_lazy_mode);
> }
> 
> Although I'm not convinced it's fully robust. It also has:
> 
> static inline void enter_lazy(enum xen_lazy_mode mode)
> {
> 	BUG_ON(this_cpu_read(xen_lazy_mode) != XEN_LAZY_NONE);
> 
> 	this_cpu_write(xen_lazy_mode, mode);
> }
> 
> which is called as part of its arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode() implementation. If a
> task was already in lazy mmu mode when an interrupt comes in and causes the
> nested arch_enter_lazy_mmu_mode() that we saw in this bug report, surely that
> BUG_ON() should trigger?

Hm, good point. But that code is old, so probably something seems to be 
preventing that?


In any case, just a thought on the in_interrupt() check, I think this 
commit is good enough as is.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-12 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-12 10:22 Ryan Roberts
2025-05-12 11:00 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-05-12 11:03   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-12 11:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-12 12:00   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-12 12:05     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-12 12:33       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-12 13:14 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-05-12 13:53   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-12 14:14     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-13 20:46 ` Will Deacon
2025-05-14  9:29   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-14 15:13     ` Will Deacon
2025-05-14 15:14 ` Will Deacon

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