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context=2E Certainly not for writing patches as a newbie=2E At be= st, >to double-check your understanding (e=2Eg=2E, AI review), help you learn >(e=2Eg=2E, explore the code base), or improve your writing if your Englis= h >is really, really bad=2E > >I prefer someone trying to use their own words to compose a change log >and actually learn something on the way over some AI slop that reads >nicer any day=2E Often, when you write a changelog you actually realize >which corner cases you might be missing, that the design might be overly >complicated, that, maybe, the reasoning or motivation is bad etc=2E It >takes time but you actually learn something and are forced to think >(crazy, right?)=2E > >The same is particularly true when it comes to writing documentation, as >people raised earlier in other context=2E > >Having that said, your actions made a lot of people's alarms go off and >there is pretty much 0 trust now=2E As Lorenzo says, even now we are not >really sure if you are saying the truth right now, which is a big problem= =2E > >If you are, in fact, a real person, and are passionate to work on the >kernel, it would be best if you would start things very slowly and don't >use any AI for crafting your patches (including patch descriptions)=2E >Stick to one subsystem and ask people what good starting tasks/projects >could be=2E > >Ideally, you'd find someone people trust around here, that can verify >your identity (i=2Ee=2E, have a video chat etc) and start mentoring you o= n >how to start working in the kernel community and gain trust=2E > >Now, I am still not sure whether I am talking to a bot here (there are >too many things Lorenzo points out above that are very suspicious), but >I just wanted to say that there are ways to become a trusted >contributor, and that information might be useful for other people that >might be interested in working on the kernel=2E > >It's certainly not by flooding the list with AI slop=2E > Hello david, thanks for being polite about this whole thing! so, you are talking to a real human, i promise you that now I am looking for people to personally mentor me, so i succseed in the kern= el And, I know this is unprofessinal (and im sorry!), but my github is my bes= t friend, i have a year worth of commits for you to see publicly, also i wo= rk with android custom roms=2E (Any questions, feel free to ask!) So yes, this is my oppotunity to be honest, (Yes=2E I do use AI!) The reason why, is im a "perfectionist", i want to start human patches, bu= t im scared i will get ripped apart, (or i wont get like reviewership!! Bec= ause im too slow) so i use claude (smartest ai in the market), and i regret= it=2E Like seriously! Additionally, i hate being slow, im scared that the community will ditch m= e if i do 1 human patch every 2-4 weeks, which is my expected time (because= i need to understand the code!!!!!) I would love to have a mentor to help me around, and when (if) somebody wa= nts to, i promise you now, i will start making human patches, and i will be= nefit the community positively, Thanks a lot david for not just ripping me apart, and thanks for actually = taking the time to politely talk to me, hugely appriciated Any concerns, or questions, feel free to ask V/R Josh Law