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From: Samuel Holland <samuel.holland@sifive.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
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	Dwaipayan Ray <dwaipayanray1@gmail.com>,
	Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/22] checkpatch: Warn on page table access without accessors
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 09:29:28 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <818ba76e-0553-459d-b956-520f23762034@sifive.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <273b638e-8251-4faf-929a-87432a48abdc@kernel.org>

On 2025-11-14 4:17 AM, David Hildenbrand (Red Hat) wrote:
> On 13.11.25 03:36, Samuel Holland wrote:
>> On 2025-11-12 8:21 PM, Joe Perches wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2025-11-12 at 17:45 -0800, Samuel Holland wrote:
>>>> Architectures may have special rules for accessing the hardware page
>>>> tables (for example, atomicity/ordering requirements), so the generic MM
>>>> code provides the pXXp_get() and set_pXX() hooks for architectures to
>>>> implement. These accessor functions are often omitted where a raw
>>>> pointer dereference is believed to be safe (i.e. race-free). However,
>>>> RISC-V needs to use these hooks to rewrite the page table values at
>>>> read/write time on some platforms. A raw pointer dereference will no
>>>> longer produce the correct value on those platforms, so the generic code
>>>> must always use the accessor functions.
>>> []
>>>> diff --git a/scripts/checkpatch.pl b/scripts/checkpatch.pl
>>> []
>>>> @@ -7721,6 +7721,13 @@ sub process {
>>>>                   ERROR("MISSING_SENTINEL", "missing sentinel in ID
>>>> array\n" . "$here\n$stat\n");
>>>>               }
>>>>           }
>>>> +
>>>> +# check for raw dereferences of hardware page table pointers
>>>> +        if ($realfile !~ m@^arch/@ &&
>>>> +            $line =~ /(?<!pte_t |p[mu4g]d_t |izeof\()\*\(?(vmf(\.|->))?
>>>> (pte|p[mu4g]d)p?\b/) {
>>>> +            WARN("PAGE_TABLE_ACCESSORS",
>>>> +                 "Use $3p_get()/set_$3() instead of dereferencing page
>>>> table pointers\n" . $herecurr);
>>>> +        }
>>>>       }
>>>
>>> Seems like a lot of matches
>>>
>>> $ git grep -P '(?<!pte_t |p[mu4g]d_t |izeof\()\*\(?(vmf(\.|->))?(pte|
>>> p[mu4g]d)p?\b' | \
>>>    grep -v '^arch/' | wc -l
>>> 766
> 
> That is indeed concerning.
> 
> I recall that we discussed an alternative approach with Ryan in the past: I
> don't remember all the details, but essentially it was about using separate
> types, such that dereferencing would not get you the type the other functions
> would be expecting. Such that the compiler will bark when you try to dereference.

Even if some functions a new incompatible pointer type, don't we still have the
problem that neither type would be safe to dereference?

A similar option to a new type would be to add a sparse annotation to the
pointers that reference hardware page tables, similar to __user. I have
prototyped a coccinelle script to add this annotation, and the sparse checking
works. But I don't have the coccinelle expertise to automate the whole thing, so
there's a lot of manual cleanup required. And this requires touching all
architectures at once to avoid introducing erroneous sparse warnings. So I did
not include this for v3 because it is quite a lot of churn. Is this something I
should try to fully implement for v4?

Regards,
Samuel



  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-11  0:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-13  1:45 [PATCH v3 00/22] riscv: Memory type control for platforms with physical memory aliases Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 01/22] mm/ptdump: replace READ_ONCE() with standard page table accessors Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 02/22] mm: " Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  4:05   ` Dev Jain
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 03/22] mm/dirty: replace READ_ONCE() with pudp_get() Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 04/22] perf/events: replace READ_ONCE() with standard page table accessors Samuel Holland
2025-11-13 19:10   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 05/22] mm: Move the fallback definitions of pXXp_get() Samuel Holland
2025-11-13 19:11   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 06/22] mm: Always use page table accessor functions Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  4:53   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-13  5:46   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-26 11:08   ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-26 11:09   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-26 12:16     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 12:19       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 12:27         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-26 12:35           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 13:03             ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-26 13:47               ` Wei Yang
2025-11-26 14:22                 ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-26 14:37                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-26 14:53                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 14:46                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 14:52                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-26 14:56                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 15:08                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-26 15:12                           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-26 16:07                             ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-26 16:34                               ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-26 20:31                                 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-27  7:14                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-27  7:31                                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-27 15:32                                       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-27 19:39                                 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-27 19:44                                 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-27  8:26                   ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2025-11-27  8:35                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 07/22] checkpatch: Warn on page table access without accessors Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  2:21   ` Joe Perches
2025-11-13  2:36     ` Samuel Holland
2025-11-13 19:17       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-11  0:29         ` Samuel Holland [this message]
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 08/22] mm: Allow page table accessors to be non-idempotent Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  7:19   ` kernel test robot
2025-11-27 16:57   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-11-27 17:47     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-11  0:33       ` Samuel Holland
2025-12-11 13:59         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-16 10:29           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-16 17:46             ` Ryan Roberts
2025-12-18 17:27               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-12-18  9:49           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 09/22] riscv: hibernate: Replace open-coded pXXp_get() Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 10/22] riscv: mm: Always use page table accessor functions Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 11/22] riscv: mm: Simplify set_p4d() and set_pgd() Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 12/22] riscv: mm: Deduplicate _PAGE_CHG_MASK definition Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 13/22] riscv: ptdump: Only show N and MT bits when enabled in the kernel Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 14/22] riscv: mm: Fix up memory types when writing page tables Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 15/22] riscv: mm: Expose all page table bits to assembly code Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 16/22] riscv: alternative: Add an ALTERNATIVE_3 macro Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 17/22] riscv: alternative: Allow calls with alternate link registers Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 18/22] riscv: Fix logic for selecting DMA_DIRECT_REMAP Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 19/22] dt-bindings: riscv: Describe physical memory regions Samuel Holland
2025-12-04 15:12   ` Rob Herring
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 20/22] riscv: mm: Use physical memory aliases to apply PMAs Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 21/22] riscv: dts: starfive: jh7100: Use physical memory ranges for DMA Samuel Holland
2025-11-13  1:45 ` [PATCH v3 22/22] riscv: dts: eswin: eic7700: " Samuel Holland
2025-11-13 19:13 ` [PATCH v3 00/22] riscv: Memory type control for platforms with physical memory aliases David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-19  8:10 ` patchwork-bot+linux-riscv

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