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From: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
To: Julian Stecklina <jsteckli@amazon.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	juerg.haefliger@hpe.com, deepa.srinivasan@oracle.com,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	joao.m.martins@oracle.com, pradeep.vincent@oracle.com,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	kanth.ghatraju@oracle.com, Liran Alon <liran.alon@oracle.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@google.com>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	chris.hyser@oracle.com, Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@canonical.com>,
	John Haxby <john.haxby@oracle.com>, Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Redoing eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) with isolated CPUs in mind (for KVM to isolate its guests per CPU)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 15:30:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80a75259-e38b-be94-dc4a-827eddfae931@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ciirm8a7p3alos.fsf@u54ee758033e858cfa736.ant.amazon.com>

On 08/30/2018 10:00 AM, Julian Stecklina wrote:
> Hey everyone,
> 
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:27 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 3:02 PM Woodhouse, David <dwmw@amazon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's the *kernel* we don't want being able to access those pages,
>>> because of the multitude of unfixable cache load gadgets.
>>
>> Ahh.
>>
>> I guess the proof is in the pudding. Did somebody try to forward-port
>> that patch set and see what the performance is like?
> 
> I've been spending some cycles on the XPFO patch set this week. For the
> patch set as it was posted for v4.13, the performance overhead of
> compiling a Linux kernel is ~40% on x86_64[1]. The overhead comes almost
> completely from TLB flushing. If we can live with stale TLB entries
> allowing temporary access (which I think is reasonable), we can remove
> all TLB flushing (on x86). This reduces the overhead to 2-3% for
> kernel compile.
> 
> There were no problems in forward-porting the patch set to master.
> You can find the result here, including a patch makes the TLB flushing
> configurable:
> http://git.infradead.org/users/jsteckli/linux-xpfo.git/shortlog/refs/heads/xpfo-master
> 
> It survived some casual stress-ng runs. I can rerun the benchmarks on
> this version, but I doubt there is any change.
> 
>> It used to be just 500 LOC. Was that because they took horrible
>> shortcuts?
> 
> The patch is still fairly small. As for the horrible shortcuts, I let
> others comment on that.


Looks like the performance impact can be whole lot worse. On my test 
system with 2 Xeon Platinum 8160 (HT enabled) CPUs and 768 GB of memory, 
I am seeing very high penalty with XPFO when building 4.18.6 kernel 
sources with "make -j60":

              No XPFO patch   XPFO patch(No TLB flush)  XPFO(TLB Flush)
sys time      52m 54.036s       55m 47.897s              434m 8.645s

That is ~8% worse with TLB flush disabled and ~720% worse with TLB flush 
enabled. This test was with kernel sources being compiled on an ext4 
filesystem. XPFO seems to affect ext2 even more. With ext2 filesystem, 
impact was ~18.6% and ~900%.

--
Khalid

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-09-07 21:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-20 21:25 Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2018-08-20 21:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-20 21:52   ` Woodhouse, David
2018-08-20 22:18     ` Kees Cook
2018-08-20 22:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-20 22:35       ` Tycho Andersen
2018-08-20 22:59         ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-20 23:14           ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-20 23:26             ` Dave Hansen
2018-08-20 23:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-08-21  9:57       ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-21 14:01         ` Liran Alon
2018-08-21 14:22           ` David Woodhouse
2018-08-21 23:04             ` Liran Alon
2018-08-30 16:00       ` Julian Stecklina
2018-08-31 15:26         ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-01 21:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-09-01 22:33           ` Wes Turner
2018-09-03 15:36             ` Andi Kleen
2018-09-03 14:51           ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-12 15:37             ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-13  6:11               ` Juerg Haefliger
2018-09-17 10:01                 ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-17 10:19                   ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-17 13:27                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-09-14 17:06               ` Khalid Aziz
2018-09-17  9:51                 ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-18 23:00                   ` Khalid Aziz
2018-09-24 14:45                     ` Stecklina, Julian
2018-10-15  8:07                       ` Khalid Aziz
2018-10-24 11:00                         ` Khalid Aziz
2018-10-24 15:00                           ` Tycho Andersen
2018-09-03 15:26           ` Andi Kleen
2018-09-04  9:37             ` Julian Stecklina
2018-09-07 21:30         ` Khalid Aziz [this message]
2018-08-31  8:43     ` James Bottomley
2018-09-19  1:03     ` Balbir Singh
2018-09-19 15:34       ` Jonathan Adams
2018-09-19 15:38       ` Jonathan Adams
2018-09-19 15:43       ` Jonathan Adams
2018-09-23  2:33         ` Balbir Singh
2018-09-25 14:12           ` Stecklina, Julian

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