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From: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt@openbsd.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@chromium.org>,
	"Stephen Röttger" <sroettger@google.com>,
	"Jeff Xu" <jeffxu@google.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, keescook@chromium.org,
	jannh@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, jorgelo@chromium.org,
	groeck@chromium.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	pedro.falcato@gmail.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 11/11] mseal:add documentation
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 09:59:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <80897.1705769947@cvs.openbsd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgdhbLeY=pEY27m4OQuDAn9xkzSLHwE9D8m1Dw8a++n=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Jan 2024 at 07:23, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@openbsd.org> wrote:
> >
> > There is an one large difference remainig between mimmutable() and mseal(),
> > which is how other system calls behave.
> >
> > We return EPERM for failures in all the system calls that fail upon
> > immutable memory (since Oct 2022).
> >
> > You are returning EACESS.
> >
> > Before it is too late, do you want to reconsider that return value, or
> > do you have a justification for the choice?
> 
> I don't think there's any real reason for the difference.
> 
> Jeff - mind changing the EACESS to EPERM, and we'll have something
> that is more-or-less compatible between Linux and OpenBSD?

(I tried to remember why I chose EPERM, replaying the view from the
German castle during kernel compiles...)

In mmap, EACCESS already means something.

     [EACCES]           The flag PROT_READ was specified as part of the prot
                        parameter and fd was not open for reading.  The flags
                        MAP_SHARED and PROT_WRITE were specified as part of
                        the flags and prot parameters and fd was not open for
                        writing.

In mprotect, the situation is similar

     [EACCES]           The process does not have sufficient access to the
                        underlying memory object to provide the requested
                        protection.

immutable isn't an aspect of the underlying object, but an aspect of the
mapping.

Anyways, it is common for one errno value to have multiple causes.

But this error-aliasing can make it harder to figure things out when
studying a "system call trace" a program, and I strongly believe in
keeping systems are simple as possible.

For all the memory mapping control operations, EPERM was available and
unambiguous.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-20 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-12 23:16 [RFC PATCH v3 00/11] Introduce mseal() jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/11] mseal: Add mseal syscall jeffxu
2023-12-13  7:24   ` Greg KH
2023-12-12 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/11] mseal: Wire up " jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/11] mseal: add can_modify_mm and can_modify_vma jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/11] mseal: add MM_SEAL_BASE jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:16 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/11] mseal: add MM_SEAL_PROT_PKEY jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/11] mseal: add sealing support for mmap jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/11] mseal: make sealed VMA mergeable jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/11] mseal: add MM_SEAL_DISCARD_RO_ANON jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/11] mseal: add MAP_SEALABLE to mmap() jeffxu
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/11] selftest mm/mseal memory sealing jeffxu
2023-12-31  6:39   ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2023-12-12 23:17 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/11] mseal:add documentation jeffxu
2023-12-13  0:39   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-14  0:35     ` Jeff Xu
2023-12-14  1:09       ` Theo de Raadt
2023-12-14  1:31       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-14 18:06         ` Stephen Röttger
2023-12-14 20:11           ` Pedro Falcato
2023-12-14 20:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-12-14 22:52             ` Jeff Xu
2024-01-20 15:23               ` Theo de Raadt
2024-01-20 16:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-20 16:59                   ` Theo de Raadt [this message]
2024-01-21  0:16                   ` Jeff Xu
2024-01-21  0:43                     ` Theo de Raadt
2023-12-14 15:04       ` Theo de Raadt

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