From: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
dgilbert@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: madvise: MADV_DONTNEED_LOCKED
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 10:45:44 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8080cb2f-09e3-30d2-0f60-160bfe5f9803@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220304171912.305060-1-hannes@cmpxchg.org>
On 3/4/22 09:19, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> MADV_DONTNEED historically rejects mlocked ranges, but with
> MLOCK_ONFAULT and MCL_ONFAULT allowing to mlock without populating,
> there are valid use cases for depopulating locked ranges as well.
>
> Users mlock memory to protect secrets. There are allocators for secure
> buffers that want in-use memory generally mlocked, but cleared and
> invalidated memory to give up the physical pages. This could be done
> with explicit munlock -> mlock calls on free -> alloc of course, but
> that adds two unnecessary syscalls, heavy mmap_sem write locks, vma
> splits and re-merges - only to get rid of the backing pages.
>
> Users also mlockall(MCL_ONFAULT) to suppress sustained paging, but are
> okay with on-demand initial population. It seems valid to selectively
> free some memory during the lifetime of such a process, without having
> to mess with its overall policy.
>
> Why add a separate flag? Isn't this a pretty niche usecase?
>
> - MADV_DONTNEED has been bailing on locked vmas forever. It's at least
> conceivable that someone, somewhere is relying on mlock to protect
> data from perhaps broader invalidation calls. Changing this behavior
> now could lead to quiet data corruption.
>
> - It also clarifies expectations around MADV_FREE and maybe
> MADV_REMOVE. It avoids the situation where one quietly behaves
> different than the others. MADV_FREE_LOCKED can be added later.
>
> - The combination of mlock() and madvise() in the first place is
> probably niche. But where it happens, I'd say that dropping pages
> from a locked region once they don't contain secrets or won't page
> anymore is much saner than relying on mlock to protect memory from
> speculative or errant invalidation calls. It's just that we can't
> change the default behavior because of the two previous points.
>
> Given that, an explicit new flag seems to make the most sense.
>
> Signed-off-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
> Acked-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> ---
> include/uapi/asm-generic/mman-common.h | 2 ++
> mm/madvise.c | 24 ++++++++++++++----------
> 2 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
>
> v2:
> - mmap_sem for read is enough for DONTNEED_LOCKED, thanks Nadav
> - rebased on top of Mike's hugetlb DONTNEED patch in -mm
Thanks for rebasing on top of recent changes.
Reviewed-by: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Looks like we both will be making madvise man page changes soon.
--
Mike Kravetz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-04 18:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-04 17:19 Johannes Weiner
2022-03-04 18:45 ` Mike Kravetz [this message]
2022-03-04 19:26 ` Shakeel Butt
2022-03-08 15:31 ` Vlastimil Babka
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-03-03 21:29 Johannes Weiner
2022-03-03 21:35 ` Nadav Amit
2022-03-03 22:25 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-03 21:47 ` Johannes Weiner
2022-03-04 9:12 ` Michal Hocko
2022-03-04 13:08 ` David Hildenbrand
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