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From: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org,  Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Matt Bobrowski <mattbobrowski@google.com>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v3 07/17] mm: introduce BPF OOM struct ops
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2026 21:12:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ia4tsw6hi93.fsf@castle.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXiHok-3SKqLncCf@tiehlicka> (Michal Hocko's message of "Tue, 27 Jan 2026 10:38:42 +0100")

Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> writes:

> On Mon 26-01-26 18:44:10, Roman Gushchin wrote:
>> Introduce a bpf struct ops for implementing custom OOM handling
>> policies.
>> 
>> It's possible to load one bpf_oom_ops for the system and one
>> bpf_oom_ops for every memory cgroup. In case of a memcg OOM, the
>> cgroup tree is traversed from the OOM'ing memcg up to the root and
>> corresponding BPF OOM handlers are executed until some memory is
>> freed. If no memory is freed, the kernel OOM killer is invoked.
>> 
>> The struct ops provides the bpf_handle_out_of_memory() callback,
>> which expected to return 1 if it was able to free some memory and 0
>> otherwise. If 1 is returned, the kernel also checks the bpf_memory_freed
>> field of the oom_control structure, which is expected to be set by
>> kfuncs suitable for releasing memory (which will be introduced later
>> in the patch series). If both are set, OOM is considered handled,
>> otherwise the next OOM handler in the chain is executed: e.g. BPF OOM
>> attached to the parent cgroup or the kernel OOM killer.
>
> I still find this dual reporting a bit confusing. I can see your
> intention in having a pre-defined "releasers" of the memory to trust BPF
> handlers more but they do have access to oc->bpf_memory_freed so they
> can manipulate it. Therefore an additional level of protection is rather
> weak.

No, they can't. They have only a read-only access.

> It is also not really clear to me how this works while there is OOM
> victim on the way out. (i.e. tsk_is_oom_victim() -> abort case). This
> will result in no killing therefore no bpf_memory_freed, right? Handler
> itself should consider its work done. How exactly is this handled.

It's a good question, I see your point...
Basically we want to give a handler an option to exit with "I promise,
some memory will be freed soon" without doing anything destructive.
But keeping it save at the same time.

I don't have a perfect answer out of my head, maybe some sort of a
rate-limiter/counter might work? E.g. a handler can promise this N times
before the kernel kicks in? Any ideas?

> Also is there any way to handle the oom by increasing the memcg limit?
> I do not see a callback for that.

There is no kfunc yet, but it's a good idea (which we accidentally
discussed few days ago). I'll implement it.

Thank you!


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-27 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-27  2:44 [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/17] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 01/17] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  5:50   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-28 11:28   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 02/17] bpf: allow attaching struct_ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  5:49   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-28  3:10   ` Josh Don
2026-01-28 18:52     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 11:25   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-28 19:18     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 03/17] libbpf: fix return value on memory allocation failure Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  5:52   ` Yafang Shao
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 04/17] libbpf: introduce bpf_map__attach_struct_ops_opts() Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 05/17] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  6:06   ` Yafang Shao
2026-02-02  4:56   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 06/17] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  6:12   ` Yafang Shao
2026-02-02  3:50   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 07/17] mm: introduce BPF OOM struct ops Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  9:38   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-27 21:12     ` Roman Gushchin [this message]
2026-01-28  8:00       ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 18:44         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  4:06       ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-28  3:26   ` Josh Don
2026-01-28 19:03     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 11:19   ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 18:53     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-29 21:00   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-30 23:29     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02 20:27       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 08/17] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27 20:21   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2026-01-27 20:47     ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  4:49   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 09/17] mm: introduce bpf_out_of_memory() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 20:21   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 10/17] mm: introduce bpf_task_is_oom_victim() kfunc Roman Gushchin
2026-02-02  5:39   ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-02-02 17:30     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-03  0:14       ` Roman Gushchin
2026-02-03 13:23         ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-03 16:31           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-04  9:02             ` Michal Hocko
2026-02-05  0:12               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 11/17] bpf: selftests: introduce read_cgroup_file() helper Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  3:08   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 12/17] bpf: selftests: BPF OOM struct ops test Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 13/17] sched: psi: add a trace point to psi_avgs_work() Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 14/17] sched: psi: add cgroup_id field to psi_group structure Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  2:44 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 15/17] bpf: allow calling bpf_out_of_memory() from a PSI tracepoint Roman Gushchin
2026-01-27  9:02 ` [PATCH bpf-next v3 00/17] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2026-01-27 21:01   ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28  8:06     ` Michal Hocko
2026-01-28 16:59       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-01-28 18:23         ` Roman Gushchin
2026-01-28 18:53           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-02  3:26         ` Matt Bobrowski
2026-02-02 17:50           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-02-04 23:52             ` Matt Bobrowski

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