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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Shivank Garg <shivankg@amd.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Keir Fraser <keirf@google.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
	Frederick Mayle <fmayle@google.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Alexander Krabler <Alexander.Krabler@kuka.com>,
	Ge Yang <yangge1116@126.com>, Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>,
	Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	Axel Rasmussen <axelrasmussen@google.com>,
	Yuanchu Xie <yuanchu@google.com>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/7] mm: folio_may_be_cached() unless folio_test_large()
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2025 10:13:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7fe2380f-a83e-4a9e-8c5e-8459c9af0d5f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <861c061c-51cd-b940-49df-9f55e1fee2c8@google.com>

On 31.08.25 11:16, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> mm/swap.c and mm/mlock.c agree to drain any per-CPU batch as soon as
> a large folio is added: so collect_longterm_unpinnable_folios() just
> wastes effort when calling lru_add_drain_all() on a large folio.
> 
> But although there is good reason not to batch up PMD-sized folios,
> we might well benefit from batching a small number of low-order mTHPs
> (though unclear how that "small number" limitation will be implemented).
> 
> So ask if folio_may_be_cached() rather than !folio_test_large(), to
> insulate those particular checks from future change.  Name preferred
> to "folio_is_batchable" because large folios can well be put on a batch:
> it's just the per-CPU LRU caches, drained much later, which need care.
> 
> Marked for stable, to counter the increase in lru_add_drain_all()s
> from "mm/gup: check ref_count instead of lru before migration".
> 
> Suggested-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> Signed-off-by: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
> Cc: <stable@vger.kernel.org>
> ---
>   include/linux/swap.h | 10 ++++++++++
>   mm/gup.c             |  5 +++--
>   mm/mlock.c           |  6 +++---
>   mm/swap.c            |  2 +-
>   4 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/include/linux/swap.h b/include/linux/swap.h
> index 2fe6ed2cc3fd..b49a61c32238 100644
> --- a/include/linux/swap.h
> +++ b/include/linux/swap.h
> @@ -385,6 +385,16 @@ void folio_add_lru_vma(struct folio *, struct vm_area_struct *);
>   void mark_page_accessed(struct page *);
>   void folio_mark_accessed(struct folio *);
>   

Two smaller things:

(1) We have other "folio_maybe_*" functions, so this one should likely
     better start with that as well.

(2) With things like fscache in mind, the function can be a bit
     misleading.

So I wonder if (a) we should just add kerneldoc to document it clearly 
(lru cache, mlock cache?) and (b) maybe call it 
folio_may_be_lru_cached(). Not sure if we can find a better abstraction 
for these two caches.

Thinking again, "maybe_cached" might be a bit misleading because it 
implements a very very very bad heuristic for small folios.

Maybe it's more like "supports being cached".

folio_lru_caching_supported()

Something like that, maybe? (again, unclear about lru/mlock cache 
abstraction)


-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-01  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-31  8:57 [PATCH 0/7] mm: better GUP pin lru_add_drain_all() Hugh Dickins
2025-08-31  9:01 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: fix folio_expected_ref_count() when PG_private_2 Hugh Dickins
2025-08-31 23:37   ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-01  1:17     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  7:52       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-01  8:04         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 10:27           ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-08 15:06             ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-09-08 19:47               ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-31  9:05 ` [PATCH 2/7] mm/gup: check ref_count instead of lru before migration Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:00   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 10:40     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-08 14:08       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 19:57         ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-08 20:17           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-31  9:08 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm/gup: local lru_add_drain() to avoid lru_add_drain_all() Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:05   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 10:53     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-31  9:11 ` [PATCH 4/7] mm: Revert "mm/gup: clear the LRU flag of a page before adding to LRU batch" Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-31  9:13 ` [PATCH 5/7] mm: Revert "mm: vmscan.c: fix OOM on swap stress test" Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:07   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-31  9:16 ` [PATCH 6/7] mm: folio_may_be_cached() unless folio_test_large() Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:13   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-09-08 11:19     ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-08 14:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-08 20:04         ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-08 20:11           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-31  9:18 ` [PATCH 7/7] mm: lru_add_drain_all() do local lru_add_drain() first Hugh Dickins
2025-09-01  8:14   ` David Hildenbrand

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