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Perhaps on ARM64, the page cache pages of > /dev/nullb0 in the test case are probably with min_order > 0, therefore > THP split fails, as the console message show: > [ 200.378989][T18221] Memory failure: 0x124d30: recovery action for > unsplit thp: Failed > > With lots of poisoned THP pages stuck in the page cache, OOM could > trigger too soon. > > I think it's worth to try add the additional changes I suggested earlier - > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/7577871f-06be-492d-b6d7-8404d7a045e0@oracle.com/ I think that makes sense in this case. I earlier said that I don't think even splitting makes sense in this case, but as you say we can actually at least allow for reclaiming the remainder of the folio. Even though we cannot proceed in handling the remaining large folio later on. -- Cheers David / dhildenb