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From: Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
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	kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 09/12] khugepaged: Introduce vma_collapse_anon_folio()
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2025 13:47:15 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7e89702d-c52c-4716-9cd6-33aebade1c71@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e4e02b6b-2bc4-449e-87f9-43f4be269626@redhat.com>


On 02/01/25 5:03 pm, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>
>>>> When having to back-off (restore original PTEs), or for copying,
>>>> you'll likely need access to the original PTEs, which were already
>>>> cleared. So likely you need a temporary copy of the original PTEs
>>>> somehow.
>>>>
>>>> That's why temporarily clearing the PMD und mmap write lock is easier
>>>> to implement, at the cost of requiring the mmap lock in write mode
>>>> like PMD collapse.
>>
>> Why do I need to clear the PMD if I am taking the mmap_write_lock() and
>> operating only on the PTE?
>
> One approach I proposed to Nico (and I think he has a prototype) is:
>
> a) Take all locks like we do today (mmap in write, vma in write, rmap 
> in write)
>
> After this step, no "ordinary" page table walkers can run anymore
>
> b) Clear the PMD entry and flush the TLB like we do today
>
> After this step, neither the CPU can read/write folios nor GUP-fast 
> can run. The PTE table is completely isolated.
>
> c) Now we can work on the (temporarily cleared) PTE table as we 
> please: isolate folios, lock them, ... without clearing the PTE 
> entries, just like we do today.
>
> d) Allocate the new folios (we don't have to hold any spinlocks), copy 
> + replace the affected PTE entries in the isolated PTE table. Similar 
> to what we do today, except that we don't clear PTEs but instead 
> clear+reset.
>
> e) Unlock+un-isolate + unref the collapsed folios like we do today.
>
> f) Re-map the PTE-table, like we do today when collapse would have 
> failed.
>
>
> Of course, after taking all locks we have to re-verify that there is 
> something to collapse (e.g., in d) we also have to check for 
> unexpected folio references). The backup path is easy: remap the PTE 
> table as no PTE entries were touched just yet.
>
> Observe that many things are "like we do today".
>
>
> As soon as we go to read locks + PTE locks, it all gets more 
> complicated to get it right. Not that it cannot be done, but the above 
> is IMHO a lot simpler to get right.

Thanks for the reply. I'll go ahead with the write lock algorithm then.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-03  8:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-16 16:50 [RFC PATCH 00/12] khugepaged: Asynchronous mTHP collapse Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] khugepaged: Rename hpage_collapse_scan_pmd() -> ptes() Dev Jain
2024-12-17  4:18   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-17  5:52     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-17  6:43     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-17 18:11       ` Zi Yan
2024-12-17 19:12         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] khugepaged: Generalize alloc_charge_folio() Dev Jain
2024-12-17  2:51   ` Baolin Wang
2024-12-17  6:08     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-17  4:17   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-17  7:09     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-17 13:00       ` Zi Yan
2024-12-20 17:41       ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2024-12-20 17:45         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-20 18:47           ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-01-02 11:21             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-17  6:53   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-17  9:06     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] khugepaged: Generalize hugepage_vma_revalidate() Dev Jain
2024-12-17  4:21   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-17 16:58   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] khugepaged: Generalize __collapse_huge_page_swapin() Dev Jain
2024-12-17  4:24   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] khugepaged: Generalize __collapse_huge_page_isolate() Dev Jain
2024-12-17  4:32   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-17  6:41     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-17 17:14       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-17 17:09   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-16 16:50 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] khugepaged: Generalize __collapse_huge_page_copy_failed() Dev Jain
2024-12-17 17:22   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-18  8:49     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] khugepaged: Scan PTEs order-wise Dev Jain
2024-12-17 18:15   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-18  9:24     ` Dev Jain
2025-01-06 10:04   ` Usama Arif
2025-01-07  7:17     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] khugepaged: Abstract PMD-THP collapse Dev Jain
2024-12-17 19:24   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-18  9:26     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] khugepaged: Introduce vma_collapse_anon_folio() Dev Jain
2024-12-16 17:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-16 19:08     ` Yang Shi
2024-12-17 10:07     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-17 10:32       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-18  8:35         ` Dev Jain
2025-01-02 10:08           ` Dev Jain
2025-01-02 11:33             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-03  8:17               ` Dev Jain [this message]
2025-01-02 11:22           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-12-18 15:59     ` Dev Jain
2025-01-06 10:17   ` Usama Arif
2025-01-07  8:12     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] khugepaged: Skip PTE range if a larger mTHP is already mapped Dev Jain
2024-12-18  7:36   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-18  9:34     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-19  3:40       ` John Hubbard
2024-12-19  3:51         ` Zi Yan
2024-12-19  7:59         ` Dev Jain
2024-12-19  8:07           ` Dev Jain
2024-12-20 11:57             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] khugepaged: Enable sysfs to control order of collapse Dev Jain
2024-12-16 16:51 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] selftests/mm: khugepaged: Enlighten for mTHP collapse Dev Jain
2024-12-18  9:03   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-18  9:50     ` Dev Jain
2024-12-20 11:05       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-12-30  7:09         ` Dev Jain
2024-12-30 16:36           ` Zi Yan
2025-01-02 11:43             ` Ryan Roberts
2025-01-03 10:10               ` Dev Jain
2025-01-03 10:11             ` Dev Jain
2024-12-16 17:31 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] khugepaged: Asynchronous " Dev Jain
2025-01-02 21:58   ` Nico Pache
2025-01-03  7:04     ` Dev Jain

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