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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Willem de Bruijn' <willemdebruijn.kernel@gmail.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v5 00/11] iov_iter: Convert the iterator macros into inline funcs
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 10:31:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7e7f2599b5544d838696ebc2cba16e47@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF=yD-L3aXM17=hsJBoauWJ6Dqq16ykcnv8sg-Fn_Td_FsOafA@mail.gmail.com>

From: Willem de Bruijn
> Sent: 23 September 2023 07:59
> 
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 2:01 PM David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> wrote:
> >
> > > >  (8) Move the copy-and-csum code to net/ where it can be in proximity with
> > > >      the code that uses it.  This eliminates the code if CONFIG_NET=n and
> > > >      allows for the slim possibility of it being inlined.
> > > >
> > > >  (9) Fold memcpy_and_csum() in to its two users.
> > > >
> > > > (10) Move csum_and_copy_from_iter_full() out of line and merge in
> > > >      csum_and_copy_from_iter() since the former is the only caller of the
> > > >      latter.
> > >
> > > I thought that the real idea behind these was to do the checksum
> > > at the same time as the copy to avoid loading the data into the L1
> > > data-cache twice - especially for long buffers.
> > > I wonder how often there are multiple iov[] that actually make
> > > it better than just check summing the linear buffer?
> >
> > It also reduces the overhead for finding the data to checksum in the case the
> > packet gets split since we're doing the checksumming as we copy - but with a
> > linear buffer, that's negligible.
> >
> > > I had a feeling that check summing of udp data was done during
> > > copy_to/from_user, but the code can't be the copy-and-csum here
> > > for that because it is missing support form odd-length buffers.
> >
> > Is there a bug there?

No, I misread the code - i shouldn't scan patches when I'd
got a viral head code...

...
> > You may be right.  That's more a question for the networking folks than for
> > me.  It's entirely possible that the checksumming code is just not used on
> > modern systems these days.
> >
> > Maybe Willem can comment since he's the UDP maintainer?
> 
> Perhaps these days it is more relevant to embedded systems than high
> end servers.

The checksum and copy are done together.
I probably missed it because the function isn't passed the
old checksum (which it can pretty much process for free).
Instead the caller is adding it afterwards - which involves
and extra explicit csum_add().

The x86-x84 ip checksum loops are all horrid though.
The unrolling in them is so 1990's.
With the out-of-order pipeline the memory accesses tend
to take care of themselves.
Not to mention that a whole raft of (now oldish) cpu take two
clocks to execute 'adc'.

	David

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      reply	other threads:[~2023-09-23 10:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-20 22:22 David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] sound: Fix snd_pcm_readv()/writev() to use iov access functions David Howells
2023-09-21  6:08   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2023-09-21 13:14   ` Takashi Iwai
2023-09-21 15:03   ` David Howells
2023-09-21 15:10     ` Takashi Iwai
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] infiniband: Use user_backed_iter() to see if iterator is UBUF/IOVEC David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] iov_iter: Renumber ITER_* constants David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] iov_iter: Derive user-backedness from the iterator type David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] iov_iter: Convert iterate*() to inline funcs David Howells
2023-09-22  9:32   ` Simon Horman
2023-09-22 11:38   ` David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 06/11] iov_iter: Don't deal with iter->copy_mc in memcpy_from_iter_mc() David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 07/11] iov_iter: Add a kernel-type iterator-only iteration function David Howells
2023-09-22  9:34   ` Simon Horman
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] iov_iter, net: Move csum_and_copy_to/from_iter() to net/ David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] iov_iter, net: Fold in csum_and_memcpy() David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] iov_iter, net: Merge csum_and_copy_from_iter{,_full}() together David Howells
2023-09-20 22:22 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] iov_iter, net: Move hash_and_copy_to_iter() to net/ David Howells
2023-09-21 14:04 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] iov_iter: Convert the iterator macros into inline funcs David Laight
2023-09-22 12:01 ` David Howells
2023-09-23  6:59   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-09-23 10:31     ` David Laight [this message]

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