From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
shuah@kernel.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
ananth.narayan@amd.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v0 0/6] x86/AMD: Userspace address tagging
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 14:10:42 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7da72067-6196-932d-92d0-1ff2018cee7f@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220405081427.GD30877@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 4/5/2022 1:44 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 01:18:41PM +0530, Bharata B Rao wrote:
>> On 3/22/2022 3:59 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
>>> I hate to be a pain, but I'm really not convinced that this feature
>>> is suitable for Linux. There are a few reasons:
>>>
>>> Right now, the concept that the high bit of an address determines
>>> whether it's a user or a kernel address is fairly fundamental to the
>>> x86_64 (and x86_32!) code. It may not be strictly necessary to
>>> preserve this, but violating it would require substantial thought.
>>> With UAI enabled, kernel and user addresses are, functionally,
>>> interleaved. This makes things like access_ok checks, and more
>>> generally anything that operates on a range of addresses, behave
>>> potentially quite differently. A lot of auditing of existing code
>>> would be needed to make it safe.
>>
>> Ok got that. However can you point to me a few instances in the current
>> kernel code where such assumption of high bit being user/kernel address
>> differentiator exists so that I get some idea of what it takes to
>> audit all such cases?
>
> The fact that you have to ask and can't readily find them should be a
> big honking clue on its own, no?
>
> Anyway, see here:
>
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:static inline bool kernel_ip(unsigned long ip)
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:{
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:#ifdef CONFIG_X86_32
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h: return ip > PAGE_OFFSET;
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:#else
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h: return (long)ip < 0;
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:#endif
> arch/x86/events/perf_event.h:}
That's a pretty good and clear example.
Thanks Peter. I do now see that auditing all such instances would be
an uphill task.
Regards,
Bharata.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-05 8:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-03-10 11:15 Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 1/6] mm, arm64: Update PR_SET/GET_TAGGED_ADDR_CTRL interface Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 2/6] x86/cpufeatures: Add Upper Address Ignore(UAI) as CPU feature Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 3/6] x86: Enable Upper Address Ignore(UAI) feature Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 19:46 ` Andrew Cooper
2022-03-10 22:37 ` David Laight
2022-03-10 22:46 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-11 12:37 ` Boris Petkov
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 4/6] x86: Provide an implementation of untagged_addr() Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 5/6] x86: Untag user pointers in access_ok() Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 11:15 ` [RFC PATCH v0 6/6] x86: Add prctl() options to control tagged user addresses ABI Bharata B Rao
2022-03-10 14:32 ` [RFC PATCH v0 0/6] x86/AMD: Userspace address tagging David Laight
2022-03-10 16:45 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-10 17:19 ` David Laight
2022-03-11 5:42 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-03-11 8:15 ` David Laight
2022-03-11 9:11 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-03-11 9:36 ` David Laight
2022-03-11 16:51 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-10 15:16 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-10 15:22 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-14 5:00 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-03-14 7:03 ` Dave Hansen
2022-03-21 22:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-03-21 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-03-22 5:31 ` David Laight
2022-03-23 7:48 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-04-01 19:25 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-05 5:58 ` Bharata B Rao
2022-04-01 19:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-04-05 8:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-04-05 8:40 ` Bharata B Rao [this message]
2022-04-08 17:41 ` Catalin Marinas
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