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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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	wangkefeng wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
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	hughd@google.com, peterx@redhat.com, avagin@google.com,
	lstoakes@gmail.com, vbabka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	usama anjum <usama.anjum@collabora.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] proc: pagemap: Expose whether a PTE is writable
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 12:20:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7d9321db-a3c1-4593-91fa-c7f97bd9eecd@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1058679077.23275.1709809843605.JavaMail.zimbra@nod.at>

On 07.03.24 12:10, Richard Weinberger wrote:
> ----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
>> Von: "David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>
>> But why is that required? What is the target use case? (I did not get
>> the cover letter in my inbox)
>>
>> We're running slowly but steadily out of bits, so we better make wise
>> decisions.
>>
>> Also, consider: Architectures where the dirty/access bit is not HW
>> managed could indicate "writable" here although we *will* get a page
>> fault to set the page dirty/accessed.
> 
> I'm currently investigating why a real-time application faces unexpected
> page faults. Page faults are usually fatal for real-time work loads because
> the latency constraints are no longer met.

Are you concerned about any type of page fault, or are things like a 
simple remapping of the same page from "read-only to writable" 
acceptable? ("very minor fault")

> 
> So, I wrote a small tool to inspect the memory mappings of a process to find
> areas which are not correctly pre-faulted. While doing so I noticed that
> there is currently no way to detect CoW mappings.
> Exposing the writable property of a PTE seemed like a good start to me.

Is it just about "detection" for debugging purposes or about "fixup" in 
running applications?

If it's the latter, MADV_POPULATE_WRITE might do what you want (in 
writable mappings).

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-07 11:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-06 23:23 Richard Weinberger
2024-03-06 23:23 ` [PATCH 2/2] [RFC] pagemap.rst: Document write bit Richard Weinberger
2024-03-07 10:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-07 11:10     ` Richard Weinberger
2024-03-07 11:15       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-10 22:14   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-03-07 10:44 ` [PATCH 1/2] [RFC] proc: pagemap: Expose whether a PTE is writable Muhammad Usama Anjum
2024-03-07 10:52 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-07 11:10   ` Richard Weinberger
2024-03-07 11:20     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2024-03-07 11:51       ` Richard Weinberger
2024-03-07 11:59         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-07 12:09           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-07 14:42             ` Richard Weinberger
2024-03-10 21:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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