From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
Logan Gunthorpe <logang@deltatee.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/8] iov_iter: Add a function to extract a page list from an iterator
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 14:11:45 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7bbcccc9-6ebf-ffab-7425-2a12f217ba15@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3814749.1674474663@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
On 23.01.23 12:51, David Howells wrote:
> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> How does this work align with the goal of no longer using FOLL_GET for
>> O_DIRECT? We should get rid of any FOLL_GET usage for accessing page content.
>
> Would that run the risk of changes being made by the child being visible to
> the a DIO write if the parent changes the buffer first?
>
>
> PARENT CHILD
> ====== =====
> start-DIO-write
> fork() = pid fork() = 0
> alter-buffer
> CoW happens
> page copied original page retained
> alter-buffer
> <DMA-happens>
FOLL_PIN users are fine in that regard, because we properly detect
"maybe pinned" during fork() and copy the page. See
tools/testing/selftests/mm/cow.c (still called
tools/testing/selftests/vm/cow.c upstream IIRC) for some test cases for
that handling.
FOLL_GET does not work as expected in that regard: pages can't be
detected as pinned and we won't be copying them during fork(). We'll end
up COW-sharing them, which can result in trouble later.
Switching from FOLL_GET to FOLL_PIN was in the works by John H. Not sure
what the status is. Interestingly,
Documentation/core-api/pin_user_pages.rst already documents that "CASE
1: Direct IO (DIO)" uses FOLL_PIN ... which does, unfortunately, no
reflect reality yet.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-23 13:12 UTC|newest]
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2023-01-20 17:55 ` David Howells
2023-01-21 13:01 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-21 13:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-21 13:30 ` David Howells
2023-01-21 13:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-23 11:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 11:51 ` David Howells
2023-01-23 13:11 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2023-01-23 13:19 ` David Howells
2023-01-23 13:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 19:56 ` John Hubbard
2023-01-26 22:15 ` Al Viro
2023-01-26 23:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-27 0:05 ` David Howells
2023-01-27 0:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 13:38 ` David Howells
2023-01-23 14:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 14:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-23 16:11 ` Jan Kara
2023-01-23 16:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-23 23:07 ` John Hubbard
2023-01-24 5:57 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-01-24 6:55 ` John Hubbard
2023-01-23 12:00 ` David Howells
2023-01-20 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 3/8] mm: Provide a helper to drop a pin/ref on a page David Howells
2023-01-20 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 8/8] mm: Renumber FOLL_GET and FOLL_PIN down David Howells
2023-01-20 18:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-01-20 19:18 ` David Howells
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