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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
	lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] 64k (or 16k) base page size on x86
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2026 07:14:39 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b414e68-4d0b-4d2b-a664-bbbdf314c0d3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06684dc4-3902-4452-824a-ee2064314d24@kernel.org>

On 2/23/26 03:27, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
...
>> BTW, x86-64 SysV ABI allows for 64k page size:
>>
>>     Systems are permitted to use any power-of-two page size between
>>     4KB and 64KB, inclusive.
>>
>> But it doesn't work in practice.
> 
> Even in well controlled environments you would run in a hyperscaler?

I think what Kirill is trying to say is that "it breaks userspace". ;)

A hyperscaler (or other "embedded" environment) might be willing or able
to go fix up userspace breakage. I would suspect our high frequency
trading friends would be all over this if it shaved a microsecond off
their receive times.

The more important question is what it breaks and how badly it breaks
things. 5-level paging, for instance, broke some JITs that historically
used the new (>48) upper virtual address bits for metadata. The gains
from 5-level paging were big enough and the userspace breakage was
confined and fixable enough that 5-level paging was viable.

I'm not sure which side a larger base page side will fall on, though. Is
it going to be an out-of-tree hack that a few folks use, or will it be
more like 5-level paging and be good enough that it goes into mainline?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-23 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-19 15:08 Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:27     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:33 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-19 15:50   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:53     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 19:31       ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-19 15:39 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 15:54   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 16:09     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20  2:55       ` Zi Yan
2026-02-19 17:09   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 10:24     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20 12:07       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 16:30         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20 19:33           ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-23 11:04             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 11:13               ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 11:27                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 12:16                   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 15:14                   ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-02-23 15:31                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 15:45                       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 15:49                         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 16:22                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-02-23 16:34                     ` David Laight
2026-02-19 23:24   ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-20 12:10     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 19:21       ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-19 17:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 22:05   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20  3:28     ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-02-20 12:33       ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 15:17         ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-02-20 15:50           ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 17:30 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 22:14   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 22:21     ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 17:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-19 22:26   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20  9:04 ` David Laight
2026-02-20 12:12   ` Kiryl Shutsemau

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