From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: Kalesh Singh <kaleshsingh@google.com>,
lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] 64k (or 16k) base page size on x86
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2026 07:14:39 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b414e68-4d0b-4d2b-a664-bbbdf314c0d3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <06684dc4-3902-4452-824a-ee2064314d24@kernel.org>
On 2/23/26 03:27, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
...
>> BTW, x86-64 SysV ABI allows for 64k page size:
>>
>> Systems are permitted to use any power-of-two page size between
>> 4KB and 64KB, inclusive.
>>
>> But it doesn't work in practice.
>
> Even in well controlled environments you would run in a hyperscaler?
I think what Kirill is trying to say is that "it breaks userspace". ;)
A hyperscaler (or other "embedded" environment) might be willing or able
to go fix up userspace breakage. I would suspect our high frequency
trading friends would be all over this if it shaved a microsecond off
their receive times.
The more important question is what it breaks and how badly it breaks
things. 5-level paging, for instance, broke some JITs that historically
used the new (>48) upper virtual address bits for metadata. The gains
from 5-level paging were big enough and the userspace breakage was
confined and fixable enough that 5-level paging was viable.
I'm not sure which side a larger base page side will fall on, though. Is
it going to be an out-of-tree hack that a few folks use, or will it be
more like 5-level paging and be good enough that it goes into mainline?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-23 15:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-19 15:08 Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-02-19 15:27 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:33 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-19 15:50 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 15:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 19:31 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-02-19 15:39 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-19 15:54 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 16:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20 2:55 ` Zi Yan
2026-02-19 17:09 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 10:24 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20 12:07 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 16:30 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-20 19:33 ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-23 11:04 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 11:13 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 11:27 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 12:16 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 15:14 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-02-23 15:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 15:45 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-23 15:49 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-23 16:22 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-02-23 16:34 ` David Laight
2026-02-19 23:24 ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-20 12:10 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 19:21 ` Kalesh Singh
2026-02-19 17:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 22:05 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 3:28 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-02-20 12:33 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 15:17 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-02-20 15:50 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 17:30 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 22:14 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-19 22:21 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-19 17:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-02-19 22:26 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-02-20 9:04 ` David Laight
2026-02-20 12:12 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=7b414e68-4d0b-4d2b-a664-bbbdf314c0d3@intel.com \
--to=dave.hansen@intel.com \
--cc=Liam.Howlett@oracle.com \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=bp@alien8.de \
--cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
--cc=david@kernel.org \
--cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
--cc=kaleshsingh@google.com \
--cc=kas@kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com \
--cc=lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org \
--cc=mingo@redhat.com \
--cc=rppt@kernel.org \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
--cc=usama.arif@linux.dev \
--cc=willy@infradead.org \
--cc=x86@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox