linux-mm.kvack.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm: introduce new .mmap_proto() f_op callback
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 23:58:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ab1743b-8826-44e8-ac11-283731ef51e1@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f1bf4b452cc10281ef831c5e38ce16f09923f8c5.1746040540.git.lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>

On 30.04.25 21:54, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> Provide a means by which drivers can specify which fields of those
> permitted to be changed should be altered to prior to mmap()'ing a
> range (which may either result from a merge or from mapping an entirely new
> VMA).
> 
> Doing so is substantially safer than the existing .mmap() calback which
> provides unrestricted access to the part-constructed VMA and permits
> drivers and file systems to do 'creative' things which makes it hard to
> reason about the state of the VMA after the function returns.
> 
> The existing .mmap() callback's freedom has caused a great deal of issues,
> especially in error handling, as unwinding the mmap() state has proven to
> be non-trivial and caused significant issues in the past, for instance
> those addressed in commit 5de195060b2e ("mm: resolve faulty mmap_region()
> error path behaviour").
> 
> It also necessitates a second attempt at merge once the .mmap() callback
> has completed, which has caused issues in the past, is awkward, adds
> overhead and is difficult to reason about.
> 
> The .mmap_proto() callback eliminates this requirement, as we can update
> fields prior to even attempting the first merge. It is safer, as we heavily
> restrict what can actually be modified, and being invoked very early in the
> mmap() process, error handling can be performed safely with very little
> unwinding of state required.
> 
> Update vma userland test stubs to account for changes.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>


I really don't like the "proto" terminology. :)

[yes, David and his naming :P ]

No, the problem is that it is fairly unintuitive what is happening here.

Coming from a different direction, the callback is trigger after 
__mmap_prepare() ... could we call it "->mmap_prepare" or something like 
that? (mmap_setup, whatever)

Maybe mmap_setup and vma_setup_param? Just a thought ...


In general (although it's late in Germany), it does sound like an 
interesting approach.

How feasiable is it to remove ->mmap in the long run, and would we maybe 
need other callbacks to make that possible?


-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-04-30 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-30 19:54 [RFC PATCH 0/3] eliminate mmap() retry merge, add .mmap_proto hook Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] mm: introduce new .mmap_proto() f_op callback Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:59   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 21:44   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-01 10:37     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 21:58   ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-01 10:23     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 12:17       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-05-01 13:00         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 13:51     ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-01 13:57       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-05 13:29     ` Christian Brauner
2025-05-06 10:01       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] mm: secretmem: convert to .mmap_proto() hook Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:59   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] mm/vma: remove mmap() retry merge Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:59   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:58 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] eliminate mmap() retry merge, add .mmap_proto hook Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 19:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-30 21:29 ` Jann Horn
2025-05-01 10:27   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-01 14:33     ` Lorenzo Stoakes

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=7ab1743b-8826-44e8-ac11-283731ef51e1@redhat.com \
    --to=david@redhat.com \
    --cc=Liam.Howlett@oracle.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=brauner@kernel.org \
    --cc=jack@suse.cz \
    --cc=jannh@google.com \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com \
    --cc=mhocko@kernel.org \
    --cc=pfalcato@suse.de \
    --cc=rppt@kernel.org \
    --cc=surenb@google.com \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    --cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox