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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux FS-devel Mailing List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-block <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 14:17:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7727519C-01BE-43E8-A1BD-579CF6BD26B2@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191210162454.8608-1-axboe@kernel.dk>

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On Dec 10, 2019, at 9:24 AM, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
> 
> Recently someone asked me how io_uring buffered IO compares to mmaped
> IO in terms of performance. So I ran some tests with buffered IO, and
> found the experience to be somewhat painful. The test case is pretty
> basic, random reads over a dataset that's 10x the size of RAM.
> Performance starts out fine, and then the page cache fills up and we
> hit a throughput cliff. CPU usage of the IO threads go up, and we have
> kswapd spending 100% of a core trying to keep up. Seeing that, I was
> reminded of the many complaints I here about buffered IO, and the fact
> that most of the folks complaining will ultimately bite the bullet and
> move to O_DIRECT to just get the kernel out of the way.
> 
> But I don't think it needs to be like that. Switching to O_DIRECT isn't
> always easily doable. The buffers have different life times, size and
> alignment constraints, etc. On top of that, mixing buffered and O_DIRECT
> can be painful.
> 
> Seems to me that we have an opportunity to provide something that sits
> somewhere in between buffered and O_DIRECT, and this is where
> RWF_UNCACHED enters the picture. If this flag is set on IO, we get the
> following behavior:
> 
> - If the data is in cache, it remains in cache and the copy (in or out)
>  is served to/from that.
> 
> - If the data is NOT in cache, we add it while performing the IO. When
>  the IO is done, we remove it again.
> 
> With this, I can do 100% smooth buffered reads or writes without pushing
> the kernel to the state where kswapd is sweating bullets. In fact it
> doesn't even register.
> 
> Comments appreciated!

I think this is a definite win for e.g. NVMe/Optane devices where the
underlying storage is fast enough to avoid the need for page cache.

In our testing of Lustre on NVMe, it was faster to avoid the page cache
entirely - just inserting and removing the pages from cache took a
considerable amount of CPU for workloads where we knew it was not
beneficial (e.g. IO that was large enough that the storage was as fast
as the network).

This also makes it easier to keep other data in cache (e.g. filesystem
metadata, small IOs, etc.).

Cheers, Andreas

> Patches are against current git (ish), and can also be found here:
> 
> https://git.kernel.dk/cgit/linux-block/log/?h=buffered-uncached
> 
> fs/ceph/file.c          |   2 +-
> fs/dax.c                |   2 +-
> fs/ext4/file.c          |   2 +-
> fs/iomap/apply.c        |   2 +-
> fs/iomap/buffered-io.c  |  75 +++++++++++++++++------
> fs/iomap/direct-io.c    |   3 +-
> fs/iomap/fiemap.c       |   5 +-
> fs/iomap/seek.c         |   6 +-
> fs/iomap/swapfile.c     |   2 +-
> fs/nfs/file.c           |   2 +-
> include/linux/fs.h      |   9 ++-
> include/linux/iomap.h   |   6 +-
> include/uapi/linux/fs.h |   5 +-
> mm/filemap.c            | 132 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
> 14 files changed, 208 insertions(+), 45 deletions(-)
> 
> --
> Jens Axboe
> 
> 


Cheers, Andreas






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  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-10 21:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-10 16:24 Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:24 ` [PATCH 1/5] fs: add read support " Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:24 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: make generic_perform_write() take a struct kiocb Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:24 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: make buffered writes work with RWF_UNCACHED Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:55   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-10 17:02     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 18:35       ` Chris Mason
2019-12-10 18:58       ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-12-10 19:10         ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-11  0:23   ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-11  0:28     ` Dave Chinner
2019-12-11 14:39     ` Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:24 ` [PATCH 4/5] iomap: pass in the write_begin/write_end flags to iomap_actor Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 16:24 ` [PATCH 5/5] iomap: support RWF_UNCACHED for buffered writes Jens Axboe
2019-12-10 21:17 ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2019-12-12 15:47 ` [PATCHSET 0/5] Support for RWF_UNCACHED Christoph Hellwig
2019-12-12 15:52   ` Jens Axboe

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