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Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers=20 > conference. We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without=20 > having to deal with all of the above problems. I think James and Ted have covered pretty well why Plumbers isn=E2=80=99t= a=20 great fit, but I agree with the overall idea. > > 1) The invitation process. This goes away. The people/companies that=20 > want to discuss things with the rest of us can all get to plumbers the=20 > normal way. We get new blood that we may miss through the invitation=20 > process because they can simply register for Plumbers on their own. > Lsfmmmbop has always been most useful when focused on smaller and=20 tighter sessions that aren=E2=80=99t well suited to open audiences. I th= ink=20 the BPF and MM sessions are generally really happy with their size and=20 level of discussion, while the FS one would benefit from a larger crowd=20 split up by project. This is much easier to do if we=E2=80=99re attached= to a=20 bigger conference, where the plenary sessions are available to the whole=20 conf and the breakout sessions are smaller and completely project=20 focused. I think we=E2=80=99ve outgrown the original name, but I=E2=80=99d still c= all it=20 something, we=E2=80=99ll need rooms and t-shirts and maybe a group event = that=20 we need to fund. > 2) Presentations. We can have track miniconfs where we still curate=20 > talks, but there could be much less of them and we could just use the=20 > time to do what LSFMMBPF was meant to do, put us all in a room so we=20 > can hack on things together. Agree here, although kernel recipes is a great example of a conf people=20 visit for the presentations. > > 3) BOFs. Now all of the xfs/btrfs/ext4 guys can show up, because=20 > again they don't have to worry about some invitation process, and now=20 > real meetings can happen between people that really want to talk to=20 > each other face to face. > > 4) Planning becomes much simpler. I've organized miniconf's at=20 > plumbers before, it is far simpler than LSFMMBPF. You only have to=20 > worry about one thing, is this presentation useful. I no longer have=20 > to worry about am I inviting the right people, do we have enough money=20 > to cover the space. Is there enough space for everybody? Etc. We=E2=80=99ve talked about working closely with KS, Plumbers and the=20 Linuxfoundation to make a big picture map of the content and frequency=20 for these confs. I=E2=80=99m sure Angela is having a busy few weeks, but= lets=20 work with her to schedule this and talk it through. OSS is a good fit=20 in terms of being flexible enough to fit us in, hopefully we can make=20 that work. -chris