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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	WANG Xuerui <kernel@xen0n.name>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	Stefan Kristiansson <stefan.kristiansson@saunalahti.fi>,
	Stafford Horne <shorne@gmail.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alex@ghiti.fr>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	loongarch@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-openrisc@vger.kernel.org, linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] mm/pagewalk: split walk_page_range_novma() into kernel/user parts
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 10:12:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <764d452d-446a-4b5e-aa03-e0d901126931@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aD_-qdg2OvKQIyRg@kernel.org>

On 04.06.25 10:07, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2025 at 09:39:30AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 03.06.25 21:22, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
>>> The walk_page_range_novma() function is rather confusing - it supports two
>>> modes, one used often, the other used only for debugging.
>>>
>>> The first mode is the common case of traversal of kernel page tables, which
>>> is what nearly all callers use this for.
>>
>> ... and what people should be using it for 🙂
>>
>>>
>>> Secondly it provides an unusual debugging interface that allows for the
>>> traversal of page tables in a userland range of memory even for that memory
>>> which is not described by a VMA.
>>>
>>> This is highly unusual and it is far from certain that such page tables
>>> should even exist, but perhaps this is precisely why it is useful as a
>>> debugging mechanism.
>>>
>>> As a result, this is utilised by ptdump only. Historically, things were
>>> reversed - ptdump was the only user, and other parts of the kernel evolved
>>> to use the kernel page table walking here.
>>>
>>> Since we have some complicated and confusing locking rules for the novma
>>> case, it makes sense to separate the two usages into their own functions.
>>>
>>> Doing this also provide self-documentation as to the intent of the caller -
>>> are they doing something rather unusual or are they simply doing a standard
>>> kernel page table walk?
>>>
>>> We therefore maintain walk_page_range_novma() for this single usage, and
>>> document the function as such.
>>
>> If we have to keep this dangerous interface, it should probably be
>>
>> walk_page_range_debug() or walk_page_range_dump()
> 
> We can also move it from include/linux/pagewalk.h to mm/internal.h

Agreed.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-04  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-03 19:22 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04  7:39 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-04  8:07   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-04  8:12     ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-06-04  9:09     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04 12:26       ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-04 12:31         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-06-04  9:20   ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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