From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>,
arnd@arndb.de, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz, jannh@google.com,
willy@infradead.org, liushixin2@huawei.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] /dev/zero: make private mapping full anonymous mapping
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2025 16:06:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <75dbebfa-d13c-436e-a9ac-87f98b140cc6@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8e88bce5-3be3-4e84-a327-841c91906a79@lucifer.local>
On 14.01.25 15:52, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 02:01:32PM +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>> On 13.01.25 23:30, Yang Shi wrote:
>>> When creating private mapping for /dev/zero, the driver makes it an
>>> anonymous mapping by calling set_vma_anonymous(). But it just sets
>>> vm_ops to NULL, vm_file is still valid and vm_pgoff is also file offset.
>>>
>>> This is a special case and the VMA doesn't look like either anonymous VMA
>>> or file VMA. It confused other kernel subsystem, for example, khugepaged [1].
>>>
>>> It seems pointless to keep such special case. Making private /dev/zero>
>> mapping a full anonymous mapping doesn't change the semantic of
>>> /dev/zero either.
>>>
>>> The user visible effect is the mapping entry shown in /proc/<PID>/smaps
>>> and /proc/<PID>/maps.
>>>
>>> Before the change:
>>> ffffb7190000-ffffb7590000 rw-p 00001000 00:06 8 /dev/zero
>>>
>>> After the change:
>>> ffffb6130000-ffffb6530000 rw-p 00000000 00:00 0
>>>
>>
>> Hm, not sure about this. It's actually quite consistent to have that output
>> in smaps the way it is. You mapped a file at an offset, and it behaves like
>> an anonymous mapping apart from that.
>>
>> Not sure if the buggy khugepaged thing is a good indicator to warrant this
>> change.
>
> Yeah, this is a user-facing fundamental change that hides information and
> defies expectation so I mean - it's a no go really isn't it?
>
> I'd rather we _not_ make this anon though, because isn't life confusing
> enough David? I thought it was bad enough with 'anon, file and lol shmem'
> but 'lol lol also /dev/zero' is enough to make me want to frolick in the
> fields...
I recall there are users that rely on this memory to get the shared
zeropage on reads etc (in comparison to shmem!), so I better not ...
mess with this *at all* :)
--
Cheers,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-14 15:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-13 22:30 Yang Shi
2025-01-14 12:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 16:53 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 18:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 18:19 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 18:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 18:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-14 18:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 18:32 ` Jann Horn
2025-01-14 18:38 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 19:03 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 19:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 21:24 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-15 12:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-15 21:29 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-15 22:05 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2025-01-14 13:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 14:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-01-14 15:06 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-01-14 17:01 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 17:38 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 17:46 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 18:05 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 17:02 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-14 17:20 ` Yang Shi
2025-01-14 17:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-01-28 3:14 ` kernel test robot
2025-01-31 18:38 ` Yang Shi
2025-02-06 8:02 ` Oliver Sang
2025-02-07 18:10 ` Yang Shi
2025-02-13 2:04 ` Oliver Sang
2025-02-14 22:53 ` Yang Shi
2025-02-18 6:30 ` Oliver Sang
2025-02-19 1:12 ` Yang Shi
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