From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
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Subject: RE: [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2024 15:38:36 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <74c82d8a6b5f490784cc8f16fa7d2c12@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bDothmwdJ86K1LiKWDKdWdYDjg5WCwdbapL9c3Y_Sf+kg@mail.gmail.com>
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> - exit_to_user_mode(): Unmap the extra three pages and return them to
> the per-CPU cache. This function is called late in the kernel exit
> path.
Why bother?
The number of tasks running in user_mode is limited to the number
of cpu. So the most you save is a few pages per cpu.
Plausibly a context switch from an interrupt (eg timer tick)
could suspend a task without saving anything on its kernel stack.
But how common is that in reality?
In a well behaved system most user threads will be sleeping on
some event - so with an active kernel stack.
I can also imagine that something like sys_epoll() actually
sleeps with not (that much) stack allocated.
But the calls into all the drivers to check the status
could easily go into another page.
You really wouldn't to keep allocating and deallocating
physical pages (which I'm sure has TLB flushing costs)
all the time for those processes.
Perhaps a 'garbage collection' activity that reclaims stack
pages from processes that have been asleep 'for a while' or
haven't used a lot of stack recently (if hw 'page accessed'
bit can be used) might make more sense.
Have you done any instrumentation to see which system calls
are actually using more than (say) 8k of stack?
And how often the user threads that make those calls do so?
David
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-03-18 15:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-11 16:46 Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 01/14] task_stack.h: remove obsolete __HAVE_ARCH_KSTACK_END check Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:36 ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:13 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 02/14] fork: Clean-up ifdef logic around stack allocation Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 03/14] fork: Clean-up naming of vm_strack/vm_struct variables in vmap stacks code Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:42 ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-19 16:32 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 04/14] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:45 ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:14 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 05/14] fork: check charging success before zeroing stack Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 15:57 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-03-12 16:52 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 06/14] fork: zero vmap stack using clear_page() instead of memset() Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 7:15 ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-03-12 16:53 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 7:55 ` Christophe Leroy
2024-03-14 13:52 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:48 ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 07/14] fork: use the first page in stack to store vm_stack in cached_stacks Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 08/14] fork: separate vmap stack alloction and free calls Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 15:18 ` Jeff Xie
2024-03-14 17:14 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:51 ` Christophe JAILLET
2024-03-17 15:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 09/14] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range_noflush() public functions Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 10/14] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 19:32 ` Randy Dunlap
2024-03-11 19:55 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 11/14] x86: add support for " Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 22:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-11 23:10 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 23:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 23:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12 0:08 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 0:23 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 23:34 ` Dave Hansen
2024-03-11 23:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-11 23:56 ` Nadav Amit
2024-03-12 0:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12 7:20 ` Nadav Amit
2024-03-12 0:53 ` Dave Hansen
2024-03-12 1:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12 2:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2024-03-12 2:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12 21:58 ` Andi Kleen
2024-03-13 10:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-13 13:43 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-13 15:28 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-13 16:12 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-14 14:03 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 18:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 12/14] task_stack.h: Clean-up stack_not_used() implementation Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 13/14] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 16:46 ` [RFC 14/14] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 17:09 ` [RFC 00/14] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Mateusz Guzik
2024-03-11 18:58 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-11 19:21 ` Mateusz Guzik
2024-03-11 19:55 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 17:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-12 19:45 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-12 21:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-14 19:05 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:23 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 19:28 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:34 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-14 19:49 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-12 22:18 ` David Laight
2024-03-14 19:43 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-14 19:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-14 19:57 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-14 19:58 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-15 3:13 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-15 3:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-16 19:17 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 0:41 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-17 1:32 ` Kent Overstreet
2024-03-17 14:19 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 14:43 ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-17 16:15 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 21:30 ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-18 14:59 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 21:02 ` Brian Gerst
2024-03-19 14:56 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-17 18:57 ` David Laight
2024-03-18 15:09 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:13 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-18 15:30 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:53 ` David Laight
2024-03-18 16:57 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 15:38 ` David Laight [this message]
2024-03-18 17:00 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-18 17:37 ` Pasha Tatashin
2024-03-15 4:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2024-03-17 0:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
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