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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] hard-to-hit mm_struct UAF due to insufficiently careful vma_refcount_put() wrt SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 10:38:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <702ab3bb-db4c-49cb-bb77-4e864cae610e@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpHk_k5eVhAZTK=jJvES9311Hyo_YXxY-S56EAYSBuRVRQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/24/25 04:30, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> So, I think vma_refcount_put() can mmgrab(vma->mm) before calling
> __refcount_dec_and_test(), to stabilize that mm and then mmdrop()
> after it calls rcuwait_wake_up(). What do you think about this
> approach, folks?

Yeah except it would be wasteful to do for all vma_refcount_put(). Should be
enough to have this version (as Jann suggested) for inval_end_read: part of
lock_vma_under_rcu. I think we need it also for the vma_refcount_put() done
in vma_start_read() when we fail the seqcount check? I think in that case
the same thing can be happening too, just with different race windows?

Also as Jann suggested, maybe it's not great (or even safe) to perform
__mmdrop() under rcu? And maybe some vma_start_read() users are even more
restricted? Maybe then we'd need to make __mmdrop_delayed() not RT-only, and
use that.

>>
>> Vlastimil is right that if A1 was able to successfully elevate vma's
>> refcount then:
>> 1. vma must be attached to some valid mm. This is true because if the
>> vma is detached, vma_start_read() would not be able to elevate its
>> refcount. Once vma_start_read() elevates the refcount, vma will not
>> detach from under us because vma_mark_detached() will block until no
>> readers are using the vma.
>> 2. vma->mm can't be destroyed from under us because of that
>> exit_mmap()->vma_mark_detached() which again will ensure no readers
>> are holding a reference to the vmas of that mm.
>>
>> So, a special version of vma_refcount_put() that takes mm as a
>> parameter and does mmgrab/mmdrop before using that mm might work. I'll
>> do some more digging and maybe test this solution with your reproducer
>> to see if that works as I would expect.
>> Thanks,
>> Suren.



  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-24  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-23 16:26 Jann Horn
2025-07-23 17:32 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 17:49   ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 17:55     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 19:01       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24  0:13         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24  4:40           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 18:10     ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 18:19       ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 18:39         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 19:52           ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 20:00             ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24  5:24               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24  5:23             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 20:27         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24  2:30           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24  8:38             ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2025-07-24 10:53               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 14:29                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 14:45                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 14:52                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 14:45               ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 16:36                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-28 17:14                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 18:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 18:30   ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 18:45     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 19:43       ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24  5:13         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 14:50           ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 14:56             ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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