linux-mm.kvack.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
Cc: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	 Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] mm: memcg: separate slab stat accounting from objcg charge cache
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 08:38:16 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6sjgaoxzbipxpza4pjnwpm57yx4d662gpjtuuzv66bvl3fazjt@4repfcgybk5t> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aacLODh5BY45Zp9s@linux.dev>

On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 08:26:31AM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 10:43:29AM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 05:45:18AM -0800, Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 03, 2026 at 11:42:31AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> > > > On 3/3/26 09:54, Hao Li wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 02, 2026 at 02:50:18PM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > > >>  
> > > > >> +static void refill_obj_stock(struct obj_cgroup *objcg,
> > > > >> +			     unsigned int nr_bytes,
> > > > >> +			     bool allow_uncharge)
> > > > >> +{
> > > > >> +	struct obj_stock_pcp *stock = trylock_stock();
> > > > >> +	__refill_obj_stock(objcg, stock, nr_bytes, allow_uncharge);
> > > > >> +	unlock_stock(stock);
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Johannes,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I noticed that after this patch, obj_cgroup_uncharge_pages() is now inside
> > > > > the obj_stock.lock critical section. Since obj_cgroup_uncharge_pages() calls
> > > > > refill_stock(), which seems non-trivial, this might increase the lock hold time.
> > > > > In particular, could that lead to more failed trylocks for IRQ handlers on
> > > > > non-RT kernel (or for tasks that preempt others on RT kernel)?
> > 
> > Good catch. I did ponder this, but forgot by the time I wrote the
> > changelog.
> > 
> > > > Yes, it also seems a bit self-defeating? (at least in theory)
> > > > 
> > > > refill_obj_stock()
> > > >   trylock_stock()
> > > >   __refill_obj_stock()
> > > >     obj_cgroup_uncharge_pages()
> > > >       refill_stock()
> > > >         local_trylock() -> nested, will fail
> > > 
> > > Not really as the local_locks are different i.e. memcg_stock.lock in
> > > refill_stock() and obj_stock.lock in refill_obj_stock().
> > 
> > Right, refilling the *byte* stock could produce enough excess that we
> > refill the *page* stock. Which in turn could produce enough excess
> > that we drain that back to the page counters (shared atomics).
> > 
> > > However Hao's concern is valid and I think it can be easily fixed by
> > > moving obj_cgroup_uncharge_pages() out of obj_stock.lock.
> > 
> > Note that we now have multiple callsites of __refill_obj_stock(). Do
> > we care enough to move this to the caller?
> > 
> > There are a few other places with a similar pattern:
> > 
> > - drain_obj_stock(): calls memcg_uncharge() under the lock
> > - drain_stock(): calls memcg_uncharge() under the lock
> > - refill_stock(): still does full drain_stock()
> > 
> > All of these could be more intentional about only updating the per-cpu
> > data under the lock and the page counters outside of it.
> > 
> > Given that IRQ allocations/frees are rare, nested ones even rarer, and
> > the "slowpath" is a few extra atomics, I'm not sure it's worth the
> > code complication. At least until proven otherwise.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> Yes this makes sense. We already have at least one evidence (bug Hao fixed) that
> these are very rare, so optimizing for such cases will just increase complexity
> without real benefit.

Yes, make sense to me too. Thanks for taking a look.

Reviewed-by: Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-04  0:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-02 19:50 [PATCH 0/5]: memcg: obj stock and slab stat caching cleanups Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 19:50 ` [PATCH 1/5] mm: memcg: factor out trylock_stock() and unlock_stock() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 21:43   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03  7:56   ` Hao Li
2026-03-03  9:23   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 19:50 ` [PATCH 2/5] mm: memcg: simplify objcg charge size and stock remainder math Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 21:44   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03  8:01   ` Hao Li
2026-03-03  9:34   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 19:50 ` [PATCH 3/5] mm: memcontrol: split out __obj_cgroup_charge() Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 21:45   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03  8:04   ` Hao Li
2026-03-03  9:37   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 19:50 ` [PATCH 4/5] mm: memcontrol: use __account_obj_stock() in the !locked path Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 21:50   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03  8:06   ` Hao Li
2026-03-03  9:39   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-02 19:50 ` [PATCH 5/5] mm: memcg: separate slab stat accounting from objcg charge cache Johannes Weiner
2026-03-02 22:20   ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03  8:54   ` Hao Li
2026-03-03 10:42     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-03 13:45       ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-03 15:43         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-03-03 16:26           ` Shakeel Butt
2026-03-04  0:38             ` Hao Li [this message]
2026-03-03 21:11 ` [PATCH 0/5]: memcg: obj stock and slab stat caching cleanups Roman Gushchin

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=6sjgaoxzbipxpza4pjnwpm57yx4d662gpjtuuzv66bvl3fazjt@4repfcgybk5t \
    --to=hao.li@linux.dev \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=cgroups@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
    --cc=harry.yoo@oracle.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=mhocko@kernel.org \
    --cc=roman.gushchin@linux.dev \
    --cc=shakeel.butt@linux.dev \
    --cc=vbabka@kernel.org \
    --cc=vbabka@suse.cz \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox