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So if hotplug is not > a requirement, we can loosen the restrictions to allow 1GB gigantic pages > in ZONE_MOVABLE. > > Since 1GB can be difficult to migrate / has impacts on compaction / > defragmentation, we don't enable this by default. However, since there > are scenarios where gigantic pages are migratable (hugetlb available in > multiple places), we should allow use of these on zone movable regions. > > Note: Boot-time CMA is not possible for driver-managed hotplug memory, > as CMA requires the memory to be registered as SystemRAM at boot time. > > Cc: David Hildenbrand > Cc: Mel Gorman > Cc: Michal Hocko > Cc: Alexandru Moise <00moses.alexander00@gmail.com> > Suggested-by: David Rientjes > Signed-off-by: Gregory Price > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20180201193132.Hk7vI_xaU%25akpm@linux-foundation.org/ > --- I just remembered one thing, maybe Oscar knows what I mean: At some point we discussed a possible issue when alloc_contig_range()/alloc_contig_pages() would try to allocate a gigantic folio and would stumble over movable gigantic folios (possibly triggering some recursion when trying to move that one? Not sure). We wanted to avoid having one gigantic folio allocation try to move another gigantic folio allocation. I think your patch would not change anything in that regard: when we scan for a suitable range in alloc_contig_pages_noprof() we call pfn_range_valid_contig() . There, we simply give up whenever we spot any PageHuge(), preventing this issue. However, it also means that we won't try moving 2MB folios to free up a 1GB folio. That could be supported by allowing for moving hugetlb folios when their size is small enough to be served by the buddy, and the size we are allocating is larger than the one of these folios. -- Cheers David / dhildenb