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Isn't that pretty eager? :P >>>>>>> 10 eagerness = we aren't eager to eat up none PTE entries at all? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or am I being dumb here? >>>>>> >>>>>> Good question. >>>>>> >>>>>> For swappiness it's: 0 -> no swap (conservative) >>>>>> >>>>>> So intuitively I assumed: 0 -> no pte_none (conservative) >>>>>> >>>>>> You're the native speaker, so you tell me :) >>>>> >>>>> To me this is about 'eagerness to consume empty PTE entries' so 10 is more >>>>> eager, 0 is not eager at all, i.e. inversion of what you suggest :) >>>> >>>> Just so we are on the same page: it is about "eagerness to collapse", right? >>>> >>>> Wouldn't a 0 mean "I am not eager, I will not waste any memory, I am very >>>> careful and bail out on any pte_none" vs. 10 meaning "I am very eager, I >>>> will collapse no matter what I find in the page table, waste as much memory >>>> as I want"? >>> >>> Yeah, this is my understanding of your scale, or is my understanding also >>> inverted? :) >>> >>> Right now it's: >>> >>> eagerness max_ptes_none >>> >>> 0 -> 511 >>> ... >>> 10 -> 0 >>> >>> Right? >> >> Just so we are on the same page, this is what I had: >> >> 0 -> ~100% used (~0% none) >> >> So "0" -> 0 pte_none or 512 used. >> >> (note the used vs. none) > > OK right so we're talking about the same thing, I guess? > > I was confused partly becuase of the scale, becuase weren't people setting > this parameter to low values in practice? > > And now we make it so we have equivalent of: > > 0 -> 0 > 1 -> 256 > 2 -> 384 Ah, there is the problem, that's not what I had in mind. 0 -> ~100% used (~0% none) ... 8 -> ~87,5% used (~12.5% none) 9 -> ~75% used (~25% none) 9 -> ~50% used (~50% none) 10 -> ~0% used (~100% none) Hopefully I didn't mess it up again. -- Cheers David / dhildenb