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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	 Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Nico Pache <npache@redhat.com>,
	 Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
	 Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	 Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	usamaarif642@gmail.com, kas@kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: thp: avoid calling start_stop_khugepaged() in anon_enabled_store()
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2026 12:30:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6eaeeace-7b0e-4465-8bb0-88cce2b13bb9@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aalXA_nP2k2OrHhc@gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 05, 2026 at 03:48:07AM -0800, Breno Leitao wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 04:40:22PM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2026 at 02:22:33AM -0800, Breno Leitao wrote:
> > > Writing "never" (or any other value) multiple times to
> > > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-*/enabled calls
> > > start_stop_khugepaged() each time, even when nothing actually changed.
> > > This causes set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() to run unconditionally,
> > > which is unnecessary and floods the printk buffer with "raising
> > > min_free_kbytes" messages. Example:
> > >
> > >   # for i in $(seq 100); do
> > >   #       echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled
> > >   # done
> > >
> > >   # dmesg | grep "min_free_kbytes is not updated" | wc -l
> > >   100
> > >
> > > Use test_and_set_bit()/test_and_clear_bit() instead of the plain
> > > variants to detect whether any bit actually flipped, and skip the
> > > start_stop_khugepaged() call entirely when the configuration is
> > > unchanged.
> > >
> > > With this patch, redoing the same operation becomes a no-op.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>
> >
> > General concept is sensible, but let's improve this code please.
>
> Ack! Thanks for the suggestions.

No problem, thanks for the patch! :)

>
> > >  		spin_unlock(&huge_anon_orders_lock);
> > >  	} else
> > >  		ret = -EINVAL;
> > >
> > > -	if (ret > 0) {
> > > +	if (ret > 0 && changed) {
> > >  		int err;
> > >
> > >  		err = start_stop_khugepaged();
> >
> > There's a caveat here as mentioned in reply to Kiryl - I'm concerned users
> > might rely on the set recommended min kbytes even when things don't change.
> >
> > Not sure how likely that is, but it's a user-visible change in how this behaves.
>
> Is there any motivation that users are retouching
> /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage just to trigger
> set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() ? That seems weird, but, I will keep it in
> the change.

I mean I can't really think of any, but I don't want to risk breaking (weird)
userspace.

>
> > From cb2c4c8bf183ef0d10068cfd12c12d19cb17a241 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
> > From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)" <ljs@kernel.org>
> > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2026 16:37:20 +0000
> > Subject: [PATCH] idea
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) <ljs@kernel.org>
>
> Thanks for the idea. Let me hack on top of it, and propose a v2.

Thanks!

>
> > ---
> >  mm/huge_memory.c | 74 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------
> >  1 file changed, 46 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/huge_memory.c b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > index 0df1f4a17430..97dabbeb9112 100644
> > --- a/mm/huge_memory.c
> > +++ b/mm/huge_memory.c
> > @@ -515,46 +515,64 @@ static ssize_t anon_enabled_show(struct kobject *kobj,
> >  	return sysfs_emit(buf, "%s\n", output);
> >  }
> >
> > +enum huge_mode {
> > +	HUGE_ALWAYS,
> > +	HUGE_INHERIT,
> > +	HUGE_MADVISE,
> > +	HUGE_NUM_MODES,
> > +	HUGE_NEVER,
> > +};
> > +
> > +static bool change_anon_orders(int order, enum huge_mode mode)
> > +{
> > +	static unsigned long *orders[] = {
> > +		&huge_anon_orders_always,
> > +		&huge_anon_orders_inherit,
> > +		&huge_anon_orders_madvise,
> > +	};
> > +	bool changed = false;
> > +	int i;
> > +
> > +	spin_lock(&huge_anon_orders_lock);
> > +	for (i = 0; i < HUGE_NUM_MODES; i++) {
>
> > +		if (i == mode)
> > +			changed |= !test_and_set_bit(order, orders[mode]);
> > +		else
> > +			changed |= test_and_clear_bit(order, orders[mode]);
>
> I suppose we want s/mode/i in the test_and_{clear,set}_bit() here:
>
> 		if (i == mode)
> 			// set for mode
> 			changed |= !test_and_set_bit(order, orders[i]);
> 		else
> 			// clear for !mode
> 			changed |= test_and_clear_bit(order, orders[i]);
>
> For two reasons:
> 	* you want to unset "i" when i != mode.
> 	* you would have an OOB when accessing orders[HUGE_NEVER == 4]
>
>
> >  static ssize_t anon_enabled_store(struct kobject *kobj,
> >  				 struct kobj_attribute *attr,
> >  				 const char *buf, size_t count)
> >  {
> >  	int order = to_thpsize(kobj)->order;
> >  	ssize_t ret = count;
> > +	bool changed;
> > +
> > +	if (sysfs_streq(buf, "always"))
> > +		changed = change_anon_orders(order, HUGE_ALWAYS);
> > +	else if (sysfs_streq(buf, "inherit"))
> > +		changed = change_anon_orders(order, HUGE_INHERIT);
> > +	else if (sysfs_streq(buf, "madvise"))
> > +		changed = change_anon_orders(order, HUGE_MADVISE);
> > +	else if (sysfs_streq(buf, "never"))
> > +		changed = change_anon_orders(order, HUGE_NEVER);
> > +	else
> > +		return -EINVAL;
>
> I think we can simplify anon_enabled_store() even more, by leveraging sysfs_match_string().
> Something like:
>
> 	static const char *const anon_mode_strings[] = {
> 		[HUGE_ALWAYS]   = "always",
> 		[HUGE_INHERIT]  = "inherit",
> 		[HUGE_MADVISE]  = "madvise",
> 		[HUGE_NEVER]    = "never",
> 		NULL,
> 	};
>
> and then
>
> 	static ssize_t anon_enabled_store(struct kobject *kobj,
> 					struct kobj_attribute *attr,
> 					const char *buf, size_t count)
> 	{
> 		int order = to_thpsize(kobj)->order;
> 		int mode;
>
> 		mode = sysfs_match_string(enabled_mode_strings, buf);
> 		if (mode < 0)
> 			return mode;

Nice!

>
> 		if (change_anon_orders(order, mode)) {
> 			int err = start_stop_khugepaged();
>
> 			if (err)
> 				return err;
> 		} else {
> 			/* Users expect this even if unchanged. TODO: Put in header... */
> 			//set_recommended_min_free_kbytes();
> 		}
> 		return count;
> 	}
>
>
>
> Anyway, I like this approach, thanks!. Let me hack a v2 based on it.

Great, thanks!

Note that my code seemed to introduce a splat, so it's buggy, make sure to check
it carefully (that 'untested' proviso was apposite, it turns out! :)

>
> --breno

Cheers, Lorenzo


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-05 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-04 10:22 [PATCH 0/2] mm: thp: reduce unnecessary start_stop_khugepaged() calls Breno Leitao
2026-03-04 10:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: thp: avoid calling start_stop_khugepaged() in anon_enabled_store() Breno Leitao
2026-03-04 16:40   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-05 11:48     ` Breno Leitao
2026-03-05 12:30       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle) [this message]
2026-03-05 12:44     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-04 10:22 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: thp: avoid calling start_stop_khugepaged() in enabled_store() Breno Leitao
2026-03-04 16:40   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-04 11:18 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm: thp: reduce unnecessary start_stop_khugepaged() calls Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-03-04 11:53   ` Breno Leitao
2026-03-04 16:24   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-05 12:41     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-05 12:45       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-05 12:46         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-05 13:14         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-04 16:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)

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