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From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Uschakow, Stanislav" <suschako@amazon.de>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"trix@redhat.com" <trix@redhat.com>,
	"ndesaulniers@google.com" <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	"nathan@kernel.org" <nathan@kernel.org>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"muchun.song@linux.dev" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	"mike.kravetz@oracle.com" <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	"liam.howlett@oracle.com" <liam.howlett@oracle.com>,
	"osalvador@suse.de" <osalvador@suse.de>,
	"vbabka@suse.cz" <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	"stable@vger.kernel.org" <stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Bug: Performance regression in 1013af4f585f: mm/hugetlb: fix huge_pmd_unshare() vs GUP-fast race
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2025 20:58:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e939a0f-3011-4a69-a725-6fb09880a51f@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez1JEerijaUxDRad6RkVm3TLm8bSuWGxQYs+fc_rsJDpAQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2025 at 09:43:43PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > So my question is - would it be reasonable to consider this at the very
> > least a vanishingly small, 'paranoid' fixup? I think it's telling you
> > couldn't come up with a repro, and you are usually very good at that :)
>
> I mean, how hard this is to hit probably partly depends on what
> choices hypervisors make about vCPU scheduling. And it would probably
> also be easier to hit for an attacker with CAP_PERFMON, though that's
> true of many bugs.
>
> But yeah, it's not the kind of bug I would choose to target if I
> wanted to write an exploit and had a larger selection of bugs to
> choose from.
>
> > Another question, perhaps silly one, is - what is the attack scenario here?
> > I'm not so familiar with hugetlb page table sharing, but is it in any way
> > feasible that you'd access another process's mappings? If not, the attack
> > scenario is that you end up accidentally accessing some other part of the
> > process's memory (which doesn't seem so bad right?).
>
> I think the impact would be P2 being able to read/write unrelated data
> in P1. Though with the way things are currently implemented, I think
> that requires P1 to do this weird unmap of half of a hugetlb mapping.
>
> We're also playing with fire because if P2 is walking page tables of
> P1 while P1 is concurrently freeing page tables, normal TLB flush IPIs
> issued by P1 wouldn't be sent to P2. I think that's not exploitable in
> the current implementation because CONFIG_MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE
> unconditionally either frees page tables through RCU or does IPI
> broadcasts sent to the whole system, but it is scary because
> sensible-looking optimizations could turn this into a user-to-kernel
> privilege escalation bug. For example, if we decided that in cases
> where we already did an IPI-based TLB flush, or in cases where we are
> single-threaded, we don't need to free page tables with Semi-RCU delay
> to synchronize against gup_fast().

Would it therefore be reasonable to say that this is more of a preventative
measure against future kernel changes (which otherwise seem reasonable)
which might lead to exploitable bugs rather than being a practiclaly
exploitable bug in itself?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-24 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29 14:30 Uschakow, Stanislav
2025-09-01 10:58 ` Jann Horn
2025-09-01 11:26   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-04 12:39     ` Uschakow, Stanislav
2025-10-08 22:54     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-09  7:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09 15:06         ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-09  7:40   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-09  8:19     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16  9:21     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-16 19:13       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 18:44     ` Jann Horn
2025-10-16 19:10       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 19:26         ` Jann Horn
2025-10-16 19:44           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-16 20:25             ` Jann Horn
2025-10-20 15:00       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-20 15:33         ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 12:24           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 18:22             ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 19:02               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-10-24 19:43                 ` Jann Horn
2025-10-24 19:58                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2025-10-24 21:41                     ` Jann Horn
2025-10-29 16:19                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-29 18:02                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-18 10:03                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-19 16:08                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-19 16:29                           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-19 16:31                             ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-20 15:47                               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-12-03 17:22                                 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-12-03 19:45                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-10-20 17:18         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-24  9:59           ` Lorenzo Stoakes

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