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Finding people >>> that are willing to work on the low-level bits and stick around is rare. >>> >>> At the same time, we need people that are willing to get familiar with >>> the code base and technology, so they can help out with review and >>> provide long-term value to the project. AI use is only partially useful >>> in that context. Certainly not for writing patches as a newbie. At best, >>> to double-check your understanding (e.g., AI review), help you learn >>> (e.g., explore the code base), or improve your writing if your English >>> is really, really bad. >>> >>> I prefer someone trying to use their own words to compose a change log >>> and actually learn something on the way over some AI slop that reads >>> nicer any day. Often, when you write a changelog you actually realize >>> which corner cases you might be missing, that the design might be overly >>> complicated, that, maybe, the reasoning or motivation is bad etc. It >>> takes time but you actually learn something and are forced to think >>> (crazy, right?). >>> >>> The same is particularly true when it comes to writing documentation, as >>> people raised earlier in other context. >>> >>> Having that said, your actions made a lot of people's alarms go off and >>> there is pretty much 0 trust now. As Lorenzo says, even now we are not >>> really sure if you are saying the truth right now, which is a big problem. >>> >>> If you are, in fact, a real person, and are passionate to work on the >>> kernel, it would be best if you would start things very slowly and don't >>> use any AI for crafting your patches (including patch descriptions). >>> Stick to one subsystem and ask people what good starting tasks/projects >>> could be. >>> >>> Ideally, you'd find someone people trust around here, that can verify >>> your identity (i.e., have a video chat etc) and start mentoring you on >>> how to start working in the kernel community and gain trust. >>> >>> Now, I am still not sure whether I am talking to a bot here (there are >>> too many things Lorenzo points out above that are very suspicious), but >>> I just wanted to say that there are ways to become a trusted >>> contributor, and that information might be useful for other people that >>> might be interested in working on the kernel. >>> >>> It's certainly not by flooding the list with AI slop. >>> >> >> >> Hello david, thanks for being polite about this whole thing! >> >> >> so, you are talking to a real human, i promise you that now > > That's exactly, what I would say if I were a bot ;) > > As a first step, fix the line wrapping. The following document was > helpful to me in the past: > > Documentation/process/email-clients.rst Yeah, good luck. Several people asked for that already, like 10 or 20 times. Andrew asked that a few times. And yesterday we got another sloppy posting, so that would be it for having some time off to learn things and take slowly. 3 days after this AI slop which does not even build. Best regards, Krzysztof