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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>, Gao Xiang <xiang@kernel.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2024 21:55:24 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6cfc022a-0c7a-4fe6-aaa4-3d28aeacc982@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <65a66eb9-41f8-4790-8db2-0c70ea15979f@redhat.com>

On 04/03/2024 20:50, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is the existing free_swap_and_cache(). I think _swap_info_get() would
>>>> break
>>>> if this could race with swapoff(), and __swap_entry_free() looks up the cluster
>>>> from an array, which would also be freed by swapoff if racing:
>>>>
>>>> int free_swap_and_cache(swp_entry_t entry)
>>>> {
>>>>      struct swap_info_struct *p;
>>>>      unsigned char count;
>>>>
>>>>      if (non_swap_entry(entry))
>>>>          return 1;
>>>>
>>>>      p = _swap_info_get(entry);
>>>>      if (p) {
>>>>          count = __swap_entry_free(p, entry);
>>>
>>> If count dropped to 0 and
>>>
>>>>          if (count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE)
>>>
>>>
>>> count is now SWAP_HAS_CACHE, there is in fact no swap entry anymore. We removed
>>> it. That one would have to be reclaimed asynchronously.
>>>
>>> The existing code we would call swap_page_trans_huge_swapped() with the SI it
>>> obtained via _swap_info_get().
>>>
>>> I also don't see what should be left protecting the SI. It's not locked anymore,
>>> the swapcounts are at 0. We don't hold the folio lock.
>>>
>>> try_to_unuse() will stop as soon as si->inuse_pages is at 0. Hm ...
>>
>> But, assuming the caller of free_swap_and_cache() acquires the PTL first, I
>> think this all works out ok? While free_swap_and_cache() is running,
>> try_to_unuse() will wait for the PTL. Or if try_to_unuse() runs first, then
>> free_swap_and_cache() will never be called because the swap entry will have been
>> removed from the PTE?
> 
> But can't try_to_unuse() run, detect !si->inuse_pages and not even bother about
> scanning any further page tables?
> 
> But my head hurts from digging through that code.

Yep, glad I'm not the only one that gets headaches from swapfile.c.

> 
> Let me try again:
> 
> __swap_entry_free() might be the last user and result in "count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE".
> 
> swapoff->try_to_unuse() will stop as soon as soon as si->inuse_pages==0.
> 
> 
> So the question is: could someone reclaim the folio and turn si->inuse_pages==0,
> before we completed swap_page_trans_huge_swapped().
> 
> Imagine the following: 2 MiB folio in the swapcache. Only 2 subpages are still
> references by swap entries.
> 
> Process 1 still references subpage 0 via swap entry.
> Process 2 still references subpage 1 via swap entry.
> 
> Process 1 quits. Calls free_swap_and_cache().
> -> count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE
> [then, preempted in the hypervisor etc.]
> 
> Process 2 quits. Calls free_swap_and_cache().
> -> count == SWAP_HAS_CACHE
> 
> Process 2 goes ahead, passes swap_page_trans_huge_swapped(), and calls
> __try_to_reclaim_swap().
> 
> __try_to_reclaim_swap()->folio_free_swap()->delete_from_swap_cache()->put_swap_folio()->
> free_swap_slot()->swapcache_free_entries()->swap_entry_free()->swap_range_free()->
> ...
> WRITE_ONCE(si->inuse_pages, si->inuse_pages - nr_entries);
> 
> 
> What stops swapoff to succeed after process 2 reclaimed the swap cache but
> before process 1 finished its call to swap_page_trans_huge_swapped()?

Assuming you are talking about anonymous memory, process 1 has the PTL while
it's executing free_swap_and_cache(). try_to_unuse() iterates over every vma in
every mm, and it swaps-in a page for every PTE that holds a swap entry for the
device being swapoff'ed. It takes the PTL while converting the swap entry to
present PTE - see unuse_pte(). Process 1 must have beaten try_to_unuse() to the
particular pte, because if try_to_unuse() got there first, it would have
converted it from a swap entry to present pte and process 1 would never even
have called free_swap_and_cache(). So try_to_unuse() will eventually wait on the
PTL until process 1 has released it after free_swap_and_cache() completes. Am I
missing something? Because that part feels pretty clear to me.

Its the shmem case that I'm struggling to explain.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>> That just leaves shmem... I suspected there might be some serialization between
>> shmem_unuse() (called from try_to_unuse()) and the shmem free_swap_and_cache()
>> callsites, but I can't see it. Hmm...
>>
>>>
>>> Would performing the overall operation under lock_cluster_or_swap_info help? Not
>>> so sure :(
>>
>> No - that function relies on being able to access the cluster from the array in
>> the swap_info and lock it. And I think that array has the same lifetime as
>> swap_map, so same problem. You'd need get_swap_device()/put_swap_device() and a
>> bunch of refactoring for the internals not to take the locks, I guess. I think
>> its doable, just not sure if neccessary...
> 
> Agreed.
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-04 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-25 14:45 [PATCH v3 0/4] Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] mm: swap: Remove CLUSTER_FLAG_HUGE from swap_cluster_info:flags Ryan Roberts
2024-02-22 10:19   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-22 10:20     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-26 17:41       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 17:10         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 19:17           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28  9:37             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 12:12               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 14:57                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 15:12                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 15:18                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:27                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-03-01 16:44                         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 17:00                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:14                             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 17:18                               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-01 17:06                           ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04  4:52                             ` Barry Song
2024-03-04  5:42                               ` Barry Song
2024-03-05  7:41                                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:31                       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-01 16:32                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 16:03                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 17:30                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 18:38                     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-04 20:50                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 21:55                         ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2024-03-04 22:02                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-04 22:34                             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  6:11                               ` Huang, Ying
2024-03-05  8:35                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-03-05  8:46                                   ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 13:33               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-02-28 14:24                 ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28 14:59                   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] mm: swap: Remove struct percpu_cluster Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] mm: swap: Simplify ssd behavior when scanner steals entry Ryan Roberts
2023-10-25 14:45 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] mm: swap: Swap-out small-sized THP without splitting Ryan Roberts
2023-10-30  8:18   ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-30 13:59     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-31  8:12       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-03 11:42         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02  7:40   ` Barry Song
2023-11-02 10:21     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-02 22:36       ` Barry Song
2023-11-03 11:31         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-03 13:57           ` Steven Price
2023-11-04  9:34             ` Barry Song
2023-11-06 10:12               ` Steven Price
2023-11-06 21:39                 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:51                   ` Steven Price
2023-11-07 12:46               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-07 18:05                 ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 11:23                   ` Barry Song
2023-11-08 20:20                     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-08 21:04                       ` Barry Song
2023-11-04  5:49           ` Barry Song
2024-02-05  9:51   ` Barry Song
2024-02-05 12:14     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-18 23:40       ` Barry Song
2024-02-20 20:03         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  9:00         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-03-05  9:54           ` Barry Song
2024-03-05 10:44             ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 12:28     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 13:37     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28  2:46       ` Barry Song
2024-02-22  7:05   ` Barry Song
2024-02-22 10:09     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-23  9:46       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:05         ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-28  1:23           ` Barry Song
2024-02-28  9:34             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-02-28 23:18               ` Barry Song
2024-02-28 15:57             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29  7:47 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] " Barry Song
2023-11-29 12:06   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-29 20:38     ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10 ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 1/6] arm64: mm: swap: support THP_SWAP on hardware with MTE Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:14     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  2:59       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 2/6] mm: swap: introduce swap_nr_free() for batched swap_free() Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:17     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  4:47       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 3/6] mm: swap: make should_try_to_free_swap() support large-folio Barry Song
2024-01-26 23:22     ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 4/6] mm: support large folios swapin as a whole Barry Song
2024-01-27 19:53     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  7:29       ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 20:06     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  7:31       ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 5/6] mm: rmap: weaken the WARN_ON in __folio_add_anon_rmap() Barry Song
2024-01-18 11:54     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-23  6:49       ` Barry Song
2024-01-29  3:25         ` Chris Li
2024-01-29 10:06           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-01-29 16:31             ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  5:05               ` Barry Song
2024-04-06 23:27             ` Barry Song
2024-01-27 23:41     ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 11:10   ` [PATCH RFC 6/6] mm: madvise: don't split mTHP for MADV_PAGEOUT Barry Song
2024-01-29  2:15     ` Chris Li
2024-02-26  6:39       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 12:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 22:39       ` Barry Song
2024-02-27 14:40     ` Ryan Roberts
2024-02-27 18:57       ` Barry Song
2024-02-28  3:49         ` Barry Song
2024-01-18 15:25   ` [PATCH RFC 0/6] mm: support large folios swap-in Ryan Roberts
2024-01-18 23:54     ` Barry Song
2024-01-19 13:25       ` Ryan Roberts
2024-01-27 14:27         ` Barry Song
2024-01-29  9:05   ` Huang, Ying

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