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From: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	will@kernel.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
	rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	riel@surriel.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com, jannh@google.com,
	willy@infradead.org, dev.jain@arm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: rmap: support batched checks of the references for large folios
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 09:37:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6bdc4b03-9631-4717-a3fa-2785a7930aba@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4wZq7ZvMzMq513a89=VYs7gGkeVwSnAczxs_yYCHGFDQA@mail.gmail.com>



On 3/17/26 3:30 PM, Barry Song wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 2:25 PM Baolin Wang
> <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/26 4:17 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 3/10/26 02:37, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/7/26 4:02 PM, Barry Song wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 10:22 AM Baolin Wang
>>>>> <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. In addition, this will involve many architectures’ implementations
>>>>>> and their differing TLB flush mechanisms, so it’s difficult to make a
>>>>>> reasonable per-architecture measurement. If any architecture has a more
>>>>>> efficient flush method, I’d prefer to implement an architecture‑specific
>>>>>> clear_flush_young_ptes().
>>>>>
>>>>> Right! Since TLBI is usually quite expensive, I wonder if a generic
>>>>> implementation for architectures lacking clear_flush_young_ptes()
>>>>> might benefit from something like the below (just a very rough idea):
>>>>>
>>>>> int clear_flush_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>>>                    unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr)
>>>>> {
>>>>>            unsigned long curr_addr = addr;
>>>>>            int young = 0;
>>>>>
>>>>>            while (nr--) {
>>>>>                    young |= ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, curr_addr,
>>>>> ptep);
>>>>>                    ptep++;
>>>>>                    curr_addr += PAGE_SIZE;
>>>>>            }
>>>>>
>>>>>            if (young)
>>>>>                    flush_tlb_range(vma, addr, curr_addr);
>>>>>            return young;
>>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> I understand your point. I’m concerned that I can’t test this patch on
>>>> every architecture to validate the benefits. Anyway, let me try this on
>>>> my X86 machine first.
>>>
>>> In any case, please make that a follow-up patch :)
>>
>> Sure. However, after investigating RISC‑V and x86, I found that
>> ptep_clear_flush_young() does not flush the TLB on these architectures:
>>
>> int ptep_clear_flush_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>                             unsigned long address, pte_t *ptep)
>> {
>>          /*
>>           * On x86 CPUs, clearing the accessed bit without a TLB flush
>>           * doesn't cause data corruption. [ It could cause incorrect
>>           * page aging and the (mistaken) reclaim of hot pages, but the
>>           * chance of that should be relatively low. ]
>>           *
>>           * So as a performance optimization don't flush the TLB when
>>           * clearing the accessed bit, it will eventually be flushed by
>>           * a context switch or a VM operation anyway. [ In the rare
>>           * event of it not getting flushed for a long time the delay
>>           * shouldn't really matter because there's no real memory
>>           * pressure for swapout to react to. ]
>>           */
>>          return ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, address, ptep);
>> }
>>
>> I don't have access to other architectures, so I think we can postpone
>> this optimization unless someone is interested in optimizing the TLB flush.
> 
> The comment is interesting. I think it likely applies to most
> architectures, including ARM64. The main reason ARM64 doesn’t use
> this approach is probably that it can issue tlbi_nosync and then
> rely on a final dsb to ensure all invalidations are completed—
> and tlbi_nosync itself is relatively cheap.

Actually, we both tried this a few years ago, but neither succeeded :).

My patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/10/24/533

Your patch: 
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220617070555.344368-1-21cnbao@gmail.com/

Now I’m more inclined toward your approach, to align with MGLRU. It’s 
time to restart the discussion on this patch? :)


  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-18  1:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-09 14:07 [PATCH v6 0/5] support batch checking of references and unmapping " Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: rmap: support batched checks of the references " Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:25   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 21:07   ` Barry Song
2026-03-07  2:22     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-07  8:02       ` Barry Song
2026-03-10  1:37         ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-10  8:17           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-16  6:25             ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-16 14:15               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-25 14:36                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 14:58                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-25 15:06                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 15:30                       ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 15:32                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 16:23                           ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 16:28                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 18:43                               ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 18:58                                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26  1:47                       ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-26  5:31                         ` Barry Song
2026-03-26 11:10                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:04                           ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-26 12:21                             ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 10:20                               ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27  9:00                             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17  7:30               ` Barry Song
2026-03-18  1:37                 ` Baolin Wang [this message]
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] arm64: mm: factor out the address and ptep alignment into a new helper Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] arm64: mm: support batch clearing of the young flag for large folios Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] arm64: mm: implement the architecture-specific clear_flush_young_ptes() Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:30   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-10  0:39     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-06 21:20   ` Barry Song
2026-03-07  2:14     ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-07  7:41       ` Barry Song
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] mm: rmap: support batched unmapping for file large folios Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:31   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-10  1:53 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] support batch checking of references and unmapping for " Andrew Morton
2026-02-10  2:01   ` Baolin Wang

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