From: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
Cc: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
will@kernel.org, lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com,
ryan.roberts@arm.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
riel@surriel.com, harry.yoo@oracle.com, jannh@google.com,
willy@infradead.org, dev.jain@arm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: rmap: support batched checks of the references for large folios
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 09:37:12 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6bdc4b03-9631-4717-a3fa-2785a7930aba@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGsJ_4wZq7ZvMzMq513a89=VYs7gGkeVwSnAczxs_yYCHGFDQA@mail.gmail.com>
On 3/17/26 3:30 PM, Barry Song wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 2:25 PM Baolin Wang
> <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/10/26 4:17 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 3/10/26 02:37, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/7/26 4:02 PM, Barry Song wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 10:22 AM Baolin Wang
>>>>> <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. In addition, this will involve many architectures’ implementations
>>>>>> and their differing TLB flush mechanisms, so it’s difficult to make a
>>>>>> reasonable per-architecture measurement. If any architecture has a more
>>>>>> efficient flush method, I’d prefer to implement an architecture‑specific
>>>>>> clear_flush_young_ptes().
>>>>>
>>>>> Right! Since TLBI is usually quite expensive, I wonder if a generic
>>>>> implementation for architectures lacking clear_flush_young_ptes()
>>>>> might benefit from something like the below (just a very rough idea):
>>>>>
>>>>> int clear_flush_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>>>> unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr)
>>>>> {
>>>>> unsigned long curr_addr = addr;
>>>>> int young = 0;
>>>>>
>>>>> while (nr--) {
>>>>> young |= ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, curr_addr,
>>>>> ptep);
>>>>> ptep++;
>>>>> curr_addr += PAGE_SIZE;
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> if (young)
>>>>> flush_tlb_range(vma, addr, curr_addr);
>>>>> return young;
>>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> I understand your point. I’m concerned that I can’t test this patch on
>>>> every architecture to validate the benefits. Anyway, let me try this on
>>>> my X86 machine first.
>>>
>>> In any case, please make that a follow-up patch :)
>>
>> Sure. However, after investigating RISC‑V and x86, I found that
>> ptep_clear_flush_young() does not flush the TLB on these architectures:
>>
>> int ptep_clear_flush_young(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>> unsigned long address, pte_t *ptep)
>> {
>> /*
>> * On x86 CPUs, clearing the accessed bit without a TLB flush
>> * doesn't cause data corruption. [ It could cause incorrect
>> * page aging and the (mistaken) reclaim of hot pages, but the
>> * chance of that should be relatively low. ]
>> *
>> * So as a performance optimization don't flush the TLB when
>> * clearing the accessed bit, it will eventually be flushed by
>> * a context switch or a VM operation anyway. [ In the rare
>> * event of it not getting flushed for a long time the delay
>> * shouldn't really matter because there's no real memory
>> * pressure for swapout to react to. ]
>> */
>> return ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, address, ptep);
>> }
>>
>> I don't have access to other architectures, so I think we can postpone
>> this optimization unless someone is interested in optimizing the TLB flush.
>
> The comment is interesting. I think it likely applies to most
> architectures, including ARM64. The main reason ARM64 doesn’t use
> this approach is probably that it can issue tlbi_nosync and then
> rely on a final dsb to ensure all invalidations are completed—
> and tlbi_nosync itself is relatively cheap.
Actually, we both tried this a few years ago, but neither succeeded :).
My patch: https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/10/24/533
Your patch:
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220617070555.344368-1-21cnbao@gmail.com/
Now I’m more inclined toward your approach, to align with MGLRU. It’s
time to restart the discussion on this patch? :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-03-18 1:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-09 14:07 [PATCH v6 0/5] support batch checking of references and unmapping " Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] mm: rmap: support batched checks of the references " Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-06 21:07 ` Barry Song
2026-03-07 2:22 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-07 8:02 ` Barry Song
2026-03-10 1:37 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-10 8:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-16 6:25 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-16 14:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-25 14:36 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 14:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-25 15:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 15:30 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 15:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 16:23 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 16:28 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-25 18:43 ` Andrew Morton
2026-03-25 18:58 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 1:47 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-26 5:31 ` Barry Song
2026-03-26 11:10 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-26 12:04 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-26 12:21 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (Oracle)
2026-03-27 10:20 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-27 9:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-03-17 7:30 ` Barry Song
2026-03-18 1:37 ` Baolin Wang [this message]
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] arm64: mm: factor out the address and ptep alignment into a new helper Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] arm64: mm: support batch clearing of the young flag for large folios Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] arm64: mm: implement the architecture-specific clear_flush_young_ptes() Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:30 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-10 0:39 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-06 21:20 ` Barry Song
2026-03-07 2:14 ` Baolin Wang
2026-03-07 7:41 ` Barry Song
2026-02-09 14:07 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] mm: rmap: support batched unmapping for file large folios Baolin Wang
2026-02-09 15:31 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-02-10 1:53 ` [PATCH v6 0/5] support batch checking of references and unmapping for " Andrew Morton
2026-02-10 2:01 ` Baolin Wang
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