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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,  Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	 Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	 Peilin Ye <yepeilin@google.com>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Meta kernel team <kernel-team@meta.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: skip cgroup_file_notify if spinning is not allowed
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2025 14:50:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6bcjnhdsbyfmlua2x7olz6w3gheejfatnrtn5qu7ls5svegrok@zeatti7whrnq> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ecska85y.fsf@linux.dev>

On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 02:42:01PM -0700, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 02:20:46PM -0700, Roman Gushchin wrote:
> >> Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> writes:
> >> 
> >> > Generally memcg charging is allowed from all the contexts including NMI
> >> > where even spinning on spinlock can cause locking issues. However one
> >> > call chain was missed during the addition of memcg charging from any
> >> > context support. That is try_charge_memcg() -> memcg_memory_event() ->
> >> > cgroup_file_notify().
> >> >
> >> > The possible function call tree under cgroup_file_notify() can acquire
> >> > many different spin locks in spinning mode. Some of them are
> >> > cgroup_file_kn_lock, kernfs_notify_lock, pool_workqeue's lock. So, let's
> >> > just skip cgroup_file_notify() from memcg charging if the context does
> >> > not allow spinning.
> >> 
> >> Hmm, what about OOM events? Losing something like MEMCG_LOW doesn't look
> >> like a bit deal, but OOM events can be way more important.
> >> 
> >> Should we instead preserve the event (e.g. as a pending_event_mask) and
> >> raise it on the next occasion / from a different context?
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for the review. For now only MAX can happen in non-spinning
> > context. All others only happen in process context. Maybe with BPF OOM,
> > OOM might be possible in a different context (is that what you are
> > thinking?). I think we can add the complexity of preserving the event
> > when the actual need arise.
> 
> No, I haven't thought about any particular use case, just a bit
> worried about silently dropping some events. It might be not an issue
> now, but might be easy to miss a moment when it becomes a problem.
> 

Only the notification can be dropped and not the event (i.e. we are
still incrementing the counters). Also for MAX only but I got your
point.

> So in my opinion using some delayed delivery mechanism is better
> than just dropping these events.

Let me see how doing this irq_work looks like and will update here.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05 21:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-05 20:16 Shakeel Butt
2025-09-05 20:48 ` Peilin Ye
2025-09-05 21:33   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-05 21:40     ` Peilin Ye
2025-09-08  9:08   ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-08 17:11     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-09  6:20       ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-05 21:20 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-05 21:25   ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-05 21:35     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-05 21:31   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-05 21:42     ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-05 21:50       ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2025-09-05 22:44         ` Roman Gushchin
2025-09-08  9:28 ` Michal Hocko
2025-09-08 17:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-19  2:49 ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-20  2:47   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-09-20  4:31     ` Shakeel Butt
2025-09-20 15:54       ` Alexei Starovoitov

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