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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Keir Fraser <keirf@google.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Frederick Mayle <fmayle@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Ge Yang <yangge1116@126.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/gup: Drain batched mlock folio processing before attempting migration
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 17:24:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6a93bf8f-b46f-4c68-a03d-f3a8b2a1589d@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <655d2d29-8fe6-4684-aba4-4803bed0d4d0@redhat.com>

On 9/9/25 4:50 AM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 09.09.25 13:39, Will Deacon wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2025 at 08:46:52AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Aug 2025, Will Deacon wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 01:47:14AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
...
> Migration code itself will retry multiple times, which usually takes 
> care of most races.
> 
> Not all of course.
> 
> Now, I recall John was working on that at some point (I recall an RFC 
> patch, but I might be daydreaming), and I recall discussions at LSF/MM 

Yes. I was trying to improve the gup scenario of "try to long-term pin
pages that are currently in ZONE_MOVABLE, and must therefore be migrated
before pinning them". The problem is that the current code just retries
in a loop, when what we really want is for it to go to sleep and wait
for the pages to become migratable.

Anyway, I had trouble finding something to wait *on*. David here at
the last LSF/MM suggested waiting on a page group, but I only partially
understand the approach--and what really happened is that I am
"temporarily" (for a few years) consumed by this entertaining new
Nova (Rust for Linux) project.

And so I've failed to make any progress there this year.


> around improving handling when we are mixing a flood of short-therm gup 
> with a single long-term gup that wants to migrate these (short-term 
> pinned) pages.
> 
> Essentially, we would have to temporarily prevent new short-term GUP 
> pins in order to make the long-term GUP-pin succeed in migrating the folio.
> 

thanks,
-- 
John Hubbard



      reply	other threads:[~2025-09-10  0:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15 10:18 Will Deacon
2025-08-16  1:03 ` John Hubbard
2025-08-16  4:33   ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-18 13:38   ` Will Deacon
2025-08-16  4:14 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-16  8:15   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-18 13:31   ` Will Deacon
2025-08-18 14:31     ` Will Deacon
2025-08-25  1:25       ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-25 16:04         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-28  8:47         ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-28  8:59           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-28 16:12             ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-28 20:38               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-29  1:58                 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-29  8:56                   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-29 11:57           ` Will Deacon
2025-08-29 13:21             ` Will Deacon
2025-08-29 16:04               ` Hugh Dickins
2025-08-29 15:46             ` Hugh Dickins
2025-09-09 11:39               ` Will Deacon
2025-09-09 11:50                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-10  0:24                   ` John Hubbard [this message]

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